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Anyone know about this saw?

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Junkrider

05-18-2007 21:12:35




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I was recently given a chainsaw with no branding on it. She's an oldie, but looks great, complete, engine pulls over, and has spark. Overall decent shape.

The problem: The spark plug hole was stripped out (looks as though someone tried to put a plug too long in the hole) and a fix was attempted, but the threaded insert did not work and the sparkplug hole is completely botched. The inside of the head looks good, cylinder looks good, and piston appears to be okay but I have not yet disassembled the saw. Even the chain is still sharp.

I'm trying to locate a new head/cylinder/ring set but I have no clue as to make/model. There is the following info on a tag: serialnumber : 8009586 - 284 - X51
Chain Saw Division
PO Box 86, Harrison, OH 45030

The color is red, with black guard and pull starter.

The bar is 24" long. It is not very heavy, probably a little heavier than my husky rancher 55.

Anyone have a clue about this cool saw? Do you know if I can still get parts?

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cat236

05-20-2007 20:31:47




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
I will simply answer your question directly and leave the fun to the others, Napa offers a repair kit part NO. 770-3065. It will repair 4 different "reaches" of 14mm holes from 3/8" to 3/4" with 6 repairs to each size. You can buy singles if you know the reach.,(depth) Good luck to you



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BigMarv1085

05-19-2007 20:18:51




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
Get a machine shop to install a heli-coil in it for you.



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oldfarmtractor

05-19-2007 14:59:11




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
Might one be able to remove the head, drill a larger hole and put in a plug with the next diameter larger size?



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135 Fan

05-19-2007 09:11:02




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
Didn't older Homelites have X models? I seem to recall an X** Homelite saw. It was red. The plug hole can be repaired as said below. Dave



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ALAND

05-19-2007 07:45:21




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
saw your post and found it interesting since I live in near Harrison. I did a little research and found this link. I don't know if it will help but was intesting and might get you on the right track. Link



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dan hill

05-19-2007 04:44:15




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
I would not use an old saw that doesnt have a chain brake...



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Mike (WA)

05-19-2007 09:08:50




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to dan hill, 05-19-2007 04:44:15  
I don't know how any of us survived, riding standing up in the back seat of the Hudson, holding onto the rope across the back of the front seat, riding bikes without helmets, etc. Truth is, risks are everywhere, and the only way to completely avoid them is to live in a cave. I've been using chain saws without chain brakes for 50 years, and if its gonna kill me, it better hurry, before I die of old age.

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Fawteen - YES!

05-20-2007 04:31:11




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Mike (WA), 05-19-2007 09:08:50  
Geeze, I thought I was the only one.

While I applaud most (but certainly not all, the new gas cans being a prime example) saftey "advances", I'm not a slave to them.

I wear a helmet when riding, I wear a seatbelt when driving.

I also drive a truck with no airbags, a tractor with no seatbelt/ROPS, run my tablesaw without that )@#($*ing blade guard, my grinder likewise, ride a bicycle without a helmet/elbow pads/kneepads/shinguards/chest protector and just generally put myself in danger in these regards.

And ya know what? With a little luck and a lot of common sense, I've managed to avoid getting dead for nearly 57 years.

Safety is good. Refusing to get out of bed without full body protection and a government bureaucrat to supervise is counter productive.

JMHO, YMMV, and don't bother to flame me, because I don't care.

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Gene Davis (Ga.)

05-20-2007 18:58:17




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Fawteen - YES!, 05-20-2007 04:31:11  
it only takes one little error though!!!!! !!



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jhugn

05-19-2007 18:01:30




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Mike (WA), 05-19-2007 09:08:50  
It's something called deathwishes. If you run something that you know is questionable, you are subject to harm. (death). Why would you want yourself to die?



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Fawteen

05-20-2007 04:33:31




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to jhugn, 05-19-2007 18:01:30  
To get 'er done!

Yup, a chainsaw with a chain brake is better than one with out.

But a chainsaw without a chain brake is better than a two-man bucksaw.



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dan hill

05-20-2007 05:52:32




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Fawteen, 05-20-2007 04:33:31  
A friend was using a jointer with out a guard.I told him it was risky,he lost a 1/2 inch from a finger.I talked with a fellow who had a chain saw kick back, had to hold his intestines while walked out of the woods.I know too many people who have been cut by chain saws, table saws,jointers.A friend got cut by a saw last year, total cost was 40 grand.Running a grinder with out a guard or saftey glasses is nuts..One fellow was trying to loosen a bearing collar with a hammer, iron chip in the eye.A fellow just drowned when he fell out of a canoe here.Both men had life jackets ,didnt wear them.Jointers cut thin slices off your fingers.Nothing left to put back on.Chain saws gouge out flesh.will leave you with grooves and hollow places.Worn out chains will break and chop up your left hand.Fellow riding a bike had a truck run over his head,helmet saved him..Keep on taking chances.

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Pair-a-dice farm

05-20-2007 18:19:06




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to dan hill, 05-20-2007 05:52:32  
When I was a teenager I took my 66 ford out drag racing on saturday night. Now I still don"t wear a seat belt and I don"t care how many tickets I get I will not wear one. I don"t have guards on a lot of the equipment I use. I have never broken a bone or had any serious accidents in 50 years. Some people are accident prone and no matter how many so called safty devises they have they will still get hurt.

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dan hill

05-23-2007 04:37:39




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Pair-a-dice farm, 05-20-2007 18:19:06  
Just trying to explain in simple terms to the bone heads on here that people who take riskes run out of luck sooner.Not wearing a seat belt is a sure way to get tossed out a car in a minor accident.I remember a fellow who slid off the road, not much damage to the car but the door popped open and he was caught between the car body and a small tree and died.My daughter was forced off the road by a car comming at her head on.Her car ended up up side down in a ditch.Two small children and my daughter had no injuries because they had seat belts on.My wife and I attended award ceremonies last night where my grand daughter was one of two girls who were best in the freshman class.They got money for college.I would never have been able to see the award if my daughter had had your attitude about seat belts... One fellow rolled his car and ended up under it crushed.Rollovers are common even at low speeds.Take a look at some Nascar crashes and tell me that the drivers would have survived with out belts.When I was on the volunteer fire dept we took a fire truck to auto accidents.I saw many rollovers and drivers who went through windshields. A fellow who was a reckless driver was always bragging about outrunning the cops tried it one night in a Trans Am Pontiac.No seat belts.He lost control and rolled it, the center section of the roof crushed his head.A passenger lost his arm.The car was not badly damaged,went into some small trees.We grow too soon old and too late smart.Accident prone is a crock of sh .Many people have been injured or killed who were passengers in a car accident.The drunk driver seems to survive while others die.

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dan hill

05-24-2007 03:38:21




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 Re: What a bunch of crap! in reply to jdemaris, 05-20-2007 06:40:33  
My grand son worked for Asplundh,He had to wear chaps and was saved from getting cut by chaps.Gov Corzine of NJ is doing TV spots telling about his injuries.Lost half his blood, spent many days on a ventilator.He tried not wearing a seat belt.



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jdemaris

05-24-2007 05:40:22




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 Still a bunch of crap! in reply to dan hill, 05-24-2007 03:38:21  
Yeah, and maybe if Corzine had followed motor-vehicle laws - and tried driving at 65 MPH instead of 92 MPH, and chose NOT to weave in-and-out of traffic like a madman, putting the other people in the area in danger, he would not have been hurt AT ALL - seatbelt, or No seatbelt.
Seems your argument supports more safety equipment so we can act with less regard - instead of more. What about just enforcing existing laws instead?

I wonder . . . if it had been me - driving like a total fool at high speed - weaving in-and-out of traffic - during a non-emergency situation - what the law would of done to me?

In regard to Alplundh - I was a crew foreman in Bergen County, New Jersey - contracted by Public Service Electric and Gas. Was also an IBEW Union member. I did so from 1970 - 1975. Climbed and cut many trees using ropes and spikes, and also worked a lot from the pole or bucket. Never wore chaps, never had a chain-brake, and rarely wore a helmet (when I could get away with it). All our saws were Homelite XL12s, XL101, or XL925s. I never got a scratch on me, nor did any of my crew except for one guy that lost half his hand in the chipper. And, no amount of helmets, chaps, or chainguards would of prevented that.

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dan hill

05-20-2007 16:09:05




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 Re: What a bunch of crap! in reply to jdemaris, 05-20-2007 06:40:33  
Call it what you want but Ive seen these things happen to people.If you take risks you will have a short life.I remember a lot of young fellows who were raising hell here 20 years ago. 7 of them are dead now.One hung him self in jail.All due to stupid risks and they paid with their lives.There are many crosses on the roadside around here where teen agers died playing chicken, driving too fast, driving drunk.Its not doom and gloom, its common sense.

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Joe (Wa)

05-20-2007 17:43:11




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 Re: What a bunch of crap! in reply to dan hill, 05-20-2007 16:09:05  
Dan, I think you've pretty much blew you're own argument.

"stupid risks and they paid with their lives"

"crosses on the roadside around here where teen agers died playing chicken, driving too fast, driving drunk"

What does that have to do with safety equipment? You can't legislate away stupid.

Joe



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dan hill

05-21-2007 04:23:37




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 Re: What a bunch of crap! in reply to Joe (Wa), 05-20-2007 17:43:11  
No argument,just pointing out that people who think they are invinceable usually find out different.Teenagers are prone to this but a lot of older people to suffer from the same problem.A friend who is in his 80s tells me that that spinning saw blade is just waiting to get you.After you have lived for 69 years you will smarten up.The fellow who fell from the canoe and drowned would still be alive if he had worn his live jacket.He ignored his saftey equipment and lost his life.Some times you have run a saw with out a guard but to do it full time will get you.I can think of 5 men I know that have been injured by table saws and jointers.I have had a piece of hardwood kick back while ripping it on an old table saw.Yes I had the guard on it.My new saw has anti kick back pawls on it, they do work.I worked in a cedar mill 40 years ago where we used a rip saw that could throw cedar stock back thru the plywood walls.The fellow who showed me how to run the saw pointed out the patches on the wall and warned me to always stand aside when feeding the stock.A piece of lumber with tension on it can grip a saw blade and send it backward.This can happen with pawls and splitters on a saw.A punky spot in a cedar rail can make hold down worthless.Insert teeth in sawmill blades can get loose.An old friend says they usually stick in the floor or ceiling.He has a short finger due to a jointer.

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Fawteen

05-20-2007 08:22:14




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 Re: What a bunch of crap! in reply to jdemaris, 05-20-2007 06:40:33  
Preach It, Brother!

One of my favorite rants, and the reason the gene pool is so desperately in need a of stiff shot of Chlorox...



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SGF

05-19-2007 04:27:31




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
There may be no association but Campbell Hausfeld company (air tools)is in the same city that your saw came from. I never knew them to make saws but lots of companies have had short runs making tools they aren"t typically associated with.



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Bob

05-19-2007 00:48:42




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 Re: Anyone know about this saw? in reply to Junkrider, 05-18-2007 21:12:35  
It should be possible to repair the head, either with a Heli-Coil, or a Thread-Sert.



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