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Dave F.`

05-04-2007 12:58:19

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I have an small 3 bed rm. House I rent out. It presently has electric baseboard heat. I had an heat loss calculation done on the house. My opitions are 3 ton heat pump & 80,000 btu hi eff. gas furnance or heat pump with electric air handler? Although with the gas I will have to run a line about 35ft. to the road/ gas main. There's a 200amp. electric service on the house so electric isn't a problem, The house is located in West Virgina. With utility rates all ready high which would be the best way to go? Gas or Elec. Thanks Dave F.

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Vern-MI

05-07-2007 07:12:05

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

Air to air heat pumps are only good down to about 40 degrees Fahrenheidt and then a secondary heat source must be used.

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NEsota

05-06-2007 22:09:50

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

Perhaps a consideration should be the variation in natural gas prices. Electric prices tend to be more stable. Please see link.

Natural Gas W/S Price

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JayWalt

05-04-2007 21:11:58

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

couple the heat pump with a geothermal heat sink bank and you'll see the savings. Might take a while to recoup the investment tho.

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MarkB_MI

05-04-2007 18:58:49

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

With the gas main only 35 feet away, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to install a heat pump. There's just no way a heat pump is going to be economical than gas for either you or your renter. Most new electric generating capacity runs natural gas, so the price of electricity and gas are going to move in step with each other.

A good natural gas furnace will go 30 years with little maintenance. I don't think you can say the same for a heat pump. Also, heat pumps put out a high volume of cool air; if you're paying the utilities you can be certain that your tenant will keep the thermostat turned up so that the auxiliary heating comes on. And when the aux heating is running, you're back to the same efficiency as baseboard heat.

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CNKS

05-05-2007 18:18:55

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-04-2007 18:58:49

Tossup where I live. Electric company gives about a 38% discount for heating and cooling if your house is all electric. Heating is probably somewhat higher, more than made up for by decreased air conditioning costs. Power plants in Kansas are mostly either coal fired or nuclear. Crazy enviornmentalists are doing a good job killing off new coal fired plants. I have lived about 5 miles from one for 25 years. Very clean plant as far as I'm concerned. The smoke, etc you see on TV is baloney, or worse.

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toolman

05-05-2007 11:01:46

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-04-2007 18:58:49

30 years that should outlast our supply of natural gas.

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MarkWV

05-04-2007 18:07:56

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

I live in southern WV, have 1700 sf house, fully insulated, 2 1/2 ton heat pump, love it, $120 month on budget, not bacd for AC, all electric and 2 teenage daughters that think its not a real shower unless they empty 50 hwtank!

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charles(mo)

05-05-2007 16:13:19

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to MarkWV, 05-04-2007 18:07:56

I live in south east Mo. and have a heat pump. Our house is 1700 ft upstairs and a finished bedroom in the basement for our at home daughter. Total electric and we have budjet billing at 110 a month. This is our 3rd house with the same type of heat pump,(air to air)or conventional, which ever you like to call it.

My brother swears by his ground source heat pump and tells me his bills run around 60 a month. But I can't justify the cost to savings. I figured it one time and it came to about 10 years before you would break even. And only if you didn't have to dig up the buried loop and repair it.

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Tim Casbolt

05-04-2007 17:07:21

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

Pretty hard to beat the operating costs of a heat pump. Especially in a semi-southern climate.

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Charles (in GA)

05-04-2007 14:34:00

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

I never thought I'd like a heat pump till I bought a house with one.

That said, Install a gas furnance and central air, and run the gas line. Leave the baseboard heat. The renters can use what works best for them.

Generally the gas company wants you to run more than one device before they will hook up, but check and see.

Charles

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qwerty

05-04-2007 13:49:38

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Re: Heat pumps in reply to Dave F.`, 05-04-2007 12:58:19

Electric heat is about 2-3 times the cost of Gas in most areas of the country.

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