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JoeK(WI)

05-02-2007 10:09:46




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Gotta 1450W heating coil(110V)here salvaged from a small clothes dryer.Works fine,but would like to find a simple rheostat to control it and be able to"turn it down" from "wide open".I just have no idea quite where to get "on the scent" of finding one and what specs I need per se.Would the type used for ceiling fan motor control do the trick or is something heavier required.




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JoeK(WI)

05-03-2007 12:23:17




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 Da Plan in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
That was rattlin round my pointy head was possibly to suspend this appx 24" diameter,reflector backed coil above my workbench stool,facing downward toward my,"not as nappy as once was"dome.Thereby creating a spot of radiant warmth about me and my shop desk without heating the whole shop up.It was such a simple idea,I knew there'd be a catch...:(

Say how bout one a them router speed controllers,they're sposed ta handle 20Amps?Or are we talking apples and oranges?

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Gerald J.

05-03-2007 11:38:40




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
For the price off a good variable switch or thermostat and something to put it in, you can go to most any farm store or hardware store or wally world (in the fall, not now) and pick up a "milk house" heater with built in thermostat and fan with a switch to protect it from over heat should it fall over or the fan suck in a curtain.

Gerald J.



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circus

05-03-2007 07:35:28




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
A large light bulb in series. Insurance paid up?



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JK2

05-03-2007 06:35:20




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
I needed a similar control to dim the light in our foyer. It draws about 1500 watts & the largest dimmers I could find locally were rated at 1200 watts and weren't cheap. I used a cheap, low wattage dimmer. I replaced the small triac that was mounted inside the unit with a remoted triac rated for 2000 watts and mounted it on a heatsink in a metal box in the basement. I also made sure that the remote wires were capable of carrying the load (I used 12 gauge). Make sure that you connect the new triac correctly or you will fry it immediately!

You don't say if the object is to only control the heat or if you wish to reduce the current draw also while reducing the heat. A rheostat doesn't reduce the power used, it just uses a portion in the rheostat instead of in the heating coil.

The dimmer I use reduces the power used when turned down.

A thermostat (capable of handling 1500 watts) would also reduce the power used by turning off the heating coil when heat wasn't needed but depending on the intended use, it may be difficult to sense the temp properly.

John

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T_Bone

05-03-2007 03:59:25




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
Hi Joe,

I haven't repaired a dryer in years but you should have the componets on the used dryer where you got the element. Some of the dryers used snap t-stats for temperature control, some used variable resistors.

The 115v/1500w personal heaters can be bought new at Wally-World/Target for $20, or could have as there again I haven't bought one in years. Thease are really popular with the RV crowds they have tip over control with linier contolled heating.

Another good source for cheap 1500w heaters is lead casting pots for the reloaders.

Just thought I'd throw those into the fire since we don't know what your end results will be.

T_Bone

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KEB

05-02-2007 19:21:54




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
Hi, depends on what you want to do with it. Power resistors (or a rheostat) would have to dissipate a lot of heat themselves (100's of watts, depending on how much heat you wanted out of the heating element).

If you need continuous control, a variac is about the best bet. One of Soundguy's high power lamp dimmers should also work, but I suspect somthing like that would cost many $$$.

A diode in series is a good idea, but would only provide one heating value below the maximum. You'd need a diode capable of carrying the full rated current plus some margin, and good for at least 200 peak reverse volts. A diode rated for 15-20 amps continuous forward current and at least 200 volts would probably work. You may need to mount in on a heat sink, as it'll dissipate several watts itself.

The thermostat idea is cheap & easy if you want it to keep something at a constant temperature. In this case, though, you might be better off to simply buy a ready-made heater. Again, depends on what you intend to do with it.

Keith

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Bob

05-02-2007 14:06:16




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
A diode of adequate amperage rating and PRV in series with the element will cut the power (heat) to around 1/2.



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soundguy

05-02-2007 18:26:34




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to Bob, 05-02-2007 14:06:16  
Nice idea!!.. bet it makes for a good e-magnet too!

Soundguy



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rad

05-02-2007 13:38:12




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
Look for a 1.5KVA variac in your local surplus store. It is essentially a variable transformer that you can use to control the voltage delivered to th eheating coil. I see them all the time around here for $10-15.



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souNdguy

05-02-2007 12:04:23




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
As the others said.. it's not cut / dry.

here are a few choices for ya.

1 Run it wide open.. but on a thermostat setup like a small heater ( 1500w is common for those thermostats ).

2 Perhaps a wire feed motor speed trim variable resistor from a mig welder would do. they are a low ohm value, ceramic potted and look heavy duty... not sure how much cut you would get without looking at the actual resistance/impediance of whatever you use.

3 Get a multi position rotary switch and solder in a few fixxed hi-wattage ceramic power resistors.. say 3 of tem to make a hi / med / low. Up you you to use E=IR ( P=IE ) to decide what values of R you want for the hi / med / low... etc.

4 The variac xformer is a great idea. If you can find one cheaply you will be very lucky...

5 A lamp dimmer module meant for stage lighting. ( par can controller ).. you should be ably to find one in the 1500w range easilly.. as you can find lamps up to 1kw in many venues ).

6 Build a triac based controller ( lamp dimmer ) using off the shelf parts.. but rated for the load.

7 Build a Pulse width modulator and feed with full wave filtered DC. 1500w can be handled with a handfull of off the shelf mosfets.. irf 511 or irf z40, paralleled will do the trick... ( pwm is not my first choice since you are working with ac source... )

( now don't you wish you had taken HS electronics!! )

Good luck!!

Soundguy

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Not an Electrical Guru

05-02-2007 12:03:45




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  

Would a burner-switch from an electric stove/range work??

While most controls are not infinitely variable, most have at least a low-med-high selection.

I know (most) burner elements are 220volt, but I --THINK-- the burner switch may do what you want. ..... Hopefully, someone will know for sure!



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Me,again!

05-02-2007 12:07:40




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 Oh, Well! in reply to Not an Electrical Guru, 05-02-2007 12:03:45  

I guess Steve can type faster than me, but we think alike!



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steve from mo - dangit!

05-02-2007 11:55:35




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 Appliance parts store. in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
Maybe the control for a range burner or oven burner would work.



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tech4

05-02-2007 11:27:38




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
First the dimmer/speed controls for fans will not work as the fans use less than 100 watts. A true rheostat is a variable resistor and one for 1450 watts would be quite large and expensive unless found surplus. Most of the dimmer controls today use solid state circuits and again unless found surplus will be expensive. Another item is a Variac or variable auto transformer and again for that load will be expensive. Unless you can find a reasonable surplus device or even a freebie then prepare to spend $100-$200 for a device. I have built electronic circuits for myself that do that same job for about $25 worth of parts using triacs that I bought surplus.

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Aaron Ford

05-02-2007 10:53:16




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
My calculations say you need 13 amp. Got a couple here rated for up to 22 amp. They are from baseboard heaters. They ain't pretty, but they are free, sorta. I have two and they weigh about 1-1.5 lbs. a peice. If ya want 'em, send you name and address and I will ship it to ya USPS for the cost of shipping.

I have one running a heat lamp in my doghouse.

Let me know if you want either or both.

Aaron

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Aaron Ford

05-02-2007 10:55:03




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-02-2007 10:53:16  
Oops, these are thermostats, not rheostats... Sorry 'bout the mixup.

If ya want 'em anyway, let me know.

Aaron



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circus

05-02-2007 10:41:57




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to JoeK(WI), 05-02-2007 10:09:46  
Believe Fleet Farm has one for baseboard heaters.



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circus

05-02-2007 10:45:01




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 Re: Electrical gurus? in reply to circus, 05-02-2007 10:41:57  
Sorry it's not a rheostat but a thermostat



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