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WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum

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Dan in Ore

04-28-2007 04:10:20




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I was watching Jeopardy last night and one of the questions referenced to "galvenized" aluminum roofing. I thought galvanizing was done to metals with magnetic properties only. Also, since galvanization is a rust preventative, why would you want to galvanize something that doesn't rust.

Someone please set me straight on this.

Dan




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Dan in Ore

04-29-2007 19:01:12




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I just researched Galva-Lume. It is a coating for steel that is 55% zinc and 45% aluminum. Even if this is what they were talking about, it still isn't "galvanized aluminum".

Thank you all for the responses, but I'm still as confused as ever, because my idol Alex Trebek could never make a mistake (chuckle).



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raytasch-TN

04-29-2007 12:54:29




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I just last year had a 30'x50'pole barn put up and went with Galvalume on the roof. It carries a 30 year warranty. My last four reroof, remodel jobs were Galvalume. Absolutly no degradation. Oldest roof is now at 15 years. While neighbors lost shingles during the four central FL hurricains in 2004 I had no damage. No, it is not aluminum base but steel. I think it is a trade name or trade process.
ray

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Davis In SC

04-28-2007 22:21:28




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I love to watch Jeopardy... but I sometimes do not agree with the answers on some Technical quesions.. I think they need to do more research on some things...



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Buzzman72

04-28-2007 22:10:01




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
After reading all the posts below this one, I'm aware that at one time, there was aluminum metal roofing material available...as Grand-dad had a 1-car garage with a ribbed aluminum roof, with just exactly the same pattern of the steel/tin he used on the shop building in 1960. While the problem of rust was eliminated, the stuff does seem to tear easier in a strong windstorm than a steel/tin roof.

Old barn section of the shop has an ancient crimped tin roof, that was on the barn when they bought the property in 1942-43. Now, that's one tough booger to repair storm damage on!

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Hal/WA

04-28-2007 21:54:07




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I watched that show and also heard the words galvanized aluminum. I wondered why someone would galvanize aluminum, like for a building roof, since the aluminum roofs I have been familiar with continue to be about as bright and shiny as they were when they were put on many years ago. On the other hand the galvanized steel roofs put on about the same time have got a whitish color and some have rusted areas. Not too many aluminum roofs recently, probably because they cost too much.

I would think that aluminum could be zinc coated, either by hot dipping or electroplating, but can not imagine why it would be done.

Do you suppose they meant galvanized steel? Amazing that someone else would catch that little detail--I thought I would be the only one that would be puzzled by the possible goof.

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Ryan - WI

04-28-2007 18:46:36




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I have put on galvanized aluminum roof coating before. It is like tar but it is a bright silver. Could that be what they are talking about?



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Steve Crum

04-28-2007 05:32:39




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I think what your refering to is called 'galvalume'. This was popular more or less in the 70s and 80s. A fellow from Durabuilt products who was a good friend of Dad's explained that this was a cheaper (cost effective) alternative to straight aluminum for roofing, skirting, awnings etc. Typically a galvalume panel could be 2 to 3 gages lighter weight that straight aluminum and still be as strong or stronger. And galvalume usually was left in a natural finish wheras aluminum was painted to avoid oxidation. One last bg advantage was if the galvanizing got damaged, the base metal (aluminum) doesn't rust like galvanized steel. I haven't seen galvalume around here for several years, not sure if it's still made or not. Aluminum prices have become exceedingly high.

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jdemaris

04-28-2007 06:25:17




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Steve Crum, 04-28-2007 05:32:39  
I never heard that before. I've installed lots of "Galvalume" roofing - as I understand it - it's a proprietary trade name and it's all steel. All I've used that is sold as Galvalume is steel with a galvanized layer - either as the final finish, or coated with paint.

Maybe somebody will correct me, I don't think it is possible to galvanize a non-ferrous metal. It's an electric reaction or process that occurs when electricity is used with the presence of steel/iron and zinc.

As history goes - Luigi Galvani zapped a dead frog with electricity and made the dead frog jump. The term for the dead-frog jumping was coined as "Galvanized." Later, the original process of galvanization was electroplating iron/steel with zinc. Now adays, I suppose hot-dipping is more common, but the word "galvanize" is still used.

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Billy NY

04-28-2007 05:26:45




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
I've never heard of aluminum being galvanized either, see below, might explain what they were referring too.

I recall from working in the metal & glass curtain wall and window business, that at minimum, for those aluminum extrusion framed components, mill finish areas of the aluminum was anodized, which affords it some protection. Alumuninum can and will corrode, but not like ferrous metal, bond 2 dissimilar metals together ( from the galvanic series ) Alum + Copper, you will get oxidation and other reactions. One thing inherent to a design with these systems is using a bond breaker, many times our connections would be made of mild steel, primed with red oxide primer, directly against the anodized aluminum, and in a dry environment is ok, but I've had to convince consultants on the job that anodized finish does provide an element of protection, had the factory not anodized the mill finish areas, it oculd have been a costly mistake if the work was rejected. Many times a plastic shim or other material was used to seperate 2 dissimilar metals by providing a bond break. Aluminum is often painted, Kynar, and the PPG Duranar which is a real high end finish, unique application but supposed to be highly durable + many other finish systems.

There is such a thing as Galvalume, and that is used for roofing panels, take a look at the USS Steel link, some information on that, probably what Alex was referring to, can't think of anything else that it would be, like you said it don't make sense.

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Billy NY

04-28-2007 05:31:13




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Billy NY, 04-28-2007 05:26:45  
LOL - Alumuninum (sp) funny how words can grow as you type, new kind of metal invented here on YT, just now .... LOL ! I kan spel !



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Davis In SC

04-28-2007 19:30:06




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Billy NY, 04-28-2007 05:31:13  
LOL, Billy, I remember my Grandmother telling me about a lady she knew that, once she started saying "Aluminum", she could not stop... As in Aluminuminuminiuminum..... ..... ..



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Midwest redneck

04-28-2007 04:15:17




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 Re: WAY OT, Galvenized Aluminum in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-28-2007 04:10:20  
Galvanize is a zinc coating. I guess you could galvanize aluminum. But normally you would Anodize aluminum which is using sodium hydroxide to "etch" the surface of the aluminum, which is a protective coating over the aluminum.



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