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Hey Roger X(Quincy 5120 again)

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Trucks1956

04-27-2007 14:00:04




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Hey Roger, I done what you said, the pressure in the intercooler was about 10PSI, so I checked the unloader, I disconnected the supply line to the unloader and I had air, on the discharge side NONE.I replaced the unloader(old one was clogged bad) It still won't pump up very fast at all.Which valves should I check, and how do I check them? Please help me, and THANKS for all your help before.
GOD bless

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XRogerX

04-27-2007 18:07:29




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 Re: Hey Roger X(Quincy 5120 again) in reply to Trucks1956, 04-27-2007 14:00:04  
Ok, if you have no air coming out of the unloader to the towers on the cylinder heads, you most likely have low pressure valve problems. 10psi intercooler pressure is way too low if the compressor has run for awhile. Take note however, this pressure reading will never be higher than tank pressure, so if you just turned the machine on, took the reading, then shut it off, it will be low no matter what. You must let it build up at least 80 - 100 psi tank pressure to get an useful reading. Sorry, I should have been clearer on that point. Personally, I'd start by pulling off the unloader tower covers and make sure that the pucks aren't seized in place. Make sure that the line going to the towers is not plugged (possibly letting air in but not out). If all the unloaders are free to move, you might have debris in the valves themselves holding them open, a broken valve disc, a worn valve seat or body, a loose valve in the head, a blown head gasket, or maybe cracked rings. Did you try running the compressor with the unloader out of the loop? You could remove the signal line to the heads (after the unloader valve), put a blower gun into the hose and cycle the unloader towers to start the machine. Maybe let it run unloaded for awhile to listen for any clunking which might indicate loose valves. I'd try to do as much troubleshooting as possible before tearing the heads or cylinders off, since it's heavy work with this machine, and requires a fair number of gaskets. Was it 10psi on both banks or just one?

I am curious about the oil coming out of the breather tube. Worst case scenario is a holed piston, but I'd check to make sure there isn't too much oil in the machine. The breather should be at the end of a tube about 6" long. If it's right at the crankcase, you might get oil passing out even if there is no other problem.

You can also do a flow test on the pump to see what it is putting out. I'd expect about 50cfm @ 100 psi, give or take. If we get to the point where you want to do this, let me know, I can walk you through it, it's not hard, but you would need a few pipe fittings, a valve and a pressure gauge.

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XRogerX

04-28-2007 20:59:18




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 Re: Hey Roger X(Quincy 5120 again) in reply to XRogerX, 04-27-2007 18:07:29  
Oops. I said 50cfm. I assumed this was a 15hp machine. If it's a 25hp, you should be getting closer to 90cfm.



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Trucks1956

04-28-2007 06:56:08




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 OK I checked it this way....... in reply to XRogerX, 04-27-2007 18:07:29  
Hey Roger, I checked the intercooler as soon as I started it up, I also only checked it on 1 bank, I assumed it would be the same since the intercooler connects the heads together.I didn't let it run long, I thought it might hurt it?It don't make any clunkin noises it sounds like it always did.(like a heard of elephants)I did check the pucks on 1 bank, (2towers) the diapharms are gettin a little thin, but no holes yet.I changed the unloader and got a NEW one, and I got a set of diaphrams for the unloaders, but I haven't put them on yet.

I was in a hurry both times I worked on it, so I haven't taken the valves apart yet?All I did last night was change the hyd. unloader assembly.I let it run a couple of minutes, and I did have air commin out of the D side of the unloader.The other unloader was very bad cloged with crud.The breather is on top of about a 6"tube right above the hyd.unloader.I didnt check the air lines yet.The compressor has set along time out of use, before I got it, and even after I got it it still sat along time.I covered it up.When I got it it was sittin out in a field.When we first tried to start it up it had a few mudd dobers nest in the unloader towers!! So I cleaned them out, and cleaned the pucks and stuff up a little.I've never broken the valves apart, and cleaned them properly.The guy who ownes it don't have a parts washer, or a bench grinder with a wire wheel(yet) I'm gona number all the valves and stuff and take them apart and clean them at my shop.(I just live a half mile away from him)The compressor has good oil pressure too.Thanks for all your help.GOD bless

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Trucks1956

04-27-2007 14:02:49




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 Re: Hey Roger X(Quincy 5120 again)I forgot .... in reply to Trucks1956, 04-27-2007 14:00:04  
Hey Roger, I forgot to tell you that there is alot of oil blowing out of the tube above the unloader that has some kind of vent on top of it.I don"t know if that helps or just makes things worse? Thanks again



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