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Dick2

04-18-2007 07:10:17




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Purchased a DeWalt cordless drill last fall; had to return it because it had a crooked chuck.

Bought a 3/8" DeWalt electric last month; used it to drill this morning for the first time. Yup; it's got a crooked chuck, so will return that tomorrow.

Dug out my el cheapo Harbor Freight that I bought for $17 on sale - it has a straight chuck, but not so much power.

Anybody have a recommendation for a 3/8" drill with a straight chuck and fairly powerful?

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Dick2

04-20-2007 04:27:27




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
After reviewing all of the information and suggestions, I bought a Hitachi 3/8" electric drill. Haven't used it yet, other than to check out the chuck last night to make sure that it is straight. From all my past experience, I'd rather have Japanese products than Chinese products.

Ran into the DeWalt guys yesterday and showed them their drill with the crooked chuck. They just shrugged their shoulders and said: "Return it".

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Harvey3

04-20-2007 03:28:47




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
Got a 12 V Hitachi for Christmas, with impact driver, flashlight and two batteries, all for less than $200. (Canadian). I've had alot of cordless drills and this is the best, also very light.



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BobReeves

04-19-2007 14:09:47




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
Makita..

Own 3 Makita cordless drills oldest one is 14 newest is 10 years old, threw my first bad battery away last weeek..

I install photo systems on Roller Coasters and believe me they get used allot. Two weeks ago the oldest one took a dive off the roof of a loading platform, 15 feet down bounced off the steel coaster track then fell another 20 feet and landed on a cement floor. Battery clip unsnaped and lost the phillips bit out of the magnetic holder but the drill was undamaged.. Still works great.

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cj3b_jeep

04-19-2007 09:48:16




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
My dad bought a Hitachi last year, 3/8 corded, huge amount of torque.



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JayWalt

04-18-2007 21:20:10




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
i never buy cordless. cordless is a joke. They arent made as well, and the batteries are $$$$. Never have i needed a toold where i could run an extension cord, sure its a pain sometimes, but well the corded tools are just made better and has more $$, and never runs out of juice.
Milkwaulkee has all of the parts for almost all of their tools new and old available for sale to the public at a very reasonable price online. I recently replaced both the drive and bevel gear, all bearings in an angle grinder for around $30$, oh and that included a new set of brushes. Dewalt on the other hand, you have to go to their service center, and I'm not even sure they would sell parts to you.

I have a dewalt angle grinder i got for $50, in almost new conditon (bro bought it for work, and 2 weeks later they bought them all new ones, haha), couldnt turn it down since they retail for $135. It has a weird sound to it on accoasion, reminds me of when a bearing chatters or when a gear slips on its shaft (bearings and gears/shafts are fine, I checked them), its not often, but its every now and then, maybe i just hit the part to be grinded wrong i dont know. The case never gts warm (motor
), and the gearbox gets warm, but barely after a long time of use (like 15 min continuous).

The key to most power tools lasting is simple...
Let the tool do the work, if your bogging the tool down, then either you need to let up on it, or buy a more powerful one. The cheaper ones obviously dont have the power. The key here is to not reduce the motor rpm alot or a burnt commutator can result.

Cheaper angle grinder (or any motored tool), like a homier one my dad got for like $10 are just plain out peices of dog poop. This angle grinder would get so hot physically in a matter of minutes of light grinding you couldnt even touch the case and you had to physically stop using the darn thing because it would burn your hands. This is due to a lower number of windings in the motor which makes them cheaper to produce. The gearbox held up the life of the tool (but was getting sloppy), about a total of an hour, with alot of cooldown time, I was getting pretty ticked off.

In any event, it sucks B&D bought dewalt.. I never buy new, I just get used and fix them, so my choices are limited, but I do prefer the color of my tools to match my tractor, being red. Its not the color of the stuff, its the quality in it!!


As for bosch, well i refuse to support them, they are our #3 competitor in the dishwashing industry, where I work.

It really just blows that companies are so crappy now a days. With all of their new fangled technology and design that is supposively a replacement for just brute poweful designand materials. Dad has an old B&D drill, probly 20 years old at least, those tan plastic ones. It is indestructible, I have beat the living poop out of it, and it wont die, doesnt sound the best, but it just wont die!!. B&D used to make good stuff, but not anymore. I seen some of those last year at the flea markets cheap, gonna pic some up this year if there are any, about $1, only bad thing is their chucks are kinda small.

Oh and watch that sears stuff, my friend bought one of their 5 piece cordless tool setups, and in 1 year (hes got the 2 year service plan), he burnt up 2 curcular sawz, and 3 drills. The only thing I dont think he had problems with was the light. Only good thing is the new ones they replaced it with (had to return the WHOLE kit everytime)were laser guided =), still what about after the warranty?


Oh well.. disposable society, what drives it? stupid people, greedy manufacturers, or what? This world is going to he11 in a handbasket

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Nolan

04-19-2007 03:08:47




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to JayWalt, 04-18-2007 21:20:10  
"In any event, it sucks B&D bought dewalt.. "

You realize that happened back in 1960, don't you? Not exactly a recent event.



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Jim Johnson

04-21-2007 04:12:47




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Nolan, 04-19-2007 03:08:47  
That OL' boy needs to get a life

And soon

Jim



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NC Wayne

04-18-2007 19:44:08




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
I got a reconditioned 19V Ryobi along with the skill saw and light at a Cummins tool sale a few years ago. I've only used the saw a few times but I've used the heck out of the drill. Most of the drill use has been 1/4 to 3/8 holes in 1/4 thick steel as well as running in #10 x 3/4 self drilling screws in material up to 12ga. I can honestly say I've got no complaints with any of the tools, they've always seemed to have more than enough power to do what I asked of them.

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NE IA Dave

04-18-2007 18:52:19




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
I'm not sure what you mean by crooked chuck? I have owned several DeWalts and many had one finger in the chuck that would not come up with the other two. Just give her some WD 40 and a smack with a hammer / punch on the tip down inside. Problem solved, I had the same with Milwalkee drils as well. Most of the time it is when used in wet conditions. I will never even think of DeWalt and Milwalkee since i got started with Sears. I have less invested in a complete set than the #@%^* big dogs want for a battery almost. And if we play sky diver with one its no big deal. It has cut down at least 75% of my battery powered tool costs on a yearly basis. That is probably the only thing that has went down in costs.
I had enough troubles with Milwalkee, mostly brushes,reversing switches, and triggers. The DeWalts were more dependable and less expensive, but like Milwalkee the parts are to expensive--especialy their batteries and chargers. Who do the think they are kidding anyhow. I was a old hard headed, loyal to Milwalkee, then DeWalt guy for a long time. Now I would do a comercial for the Sears battery powered tools.

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Dick2

04-18-2007 15:59:11




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
One of the guys on the Woodworks Live Forum posted this:

Techtronics Industries-Hong Kong...aka TTI

2007 January Acquired Hoover� floor care brand and businesses in North America. 2005 January Acquired Milwaukee�,AEG� and DreBo� electric power tools and accessories brands and businesses. 2004 January Added Ryobi� brand license in North America for outdoor power equipment. 2003 August Launched RIDGID� professional tools for The Home Depot.

RIDGID is a registered trademark of RIDGID, Inc., and used under license 2003 April Acquired Royal� and Dirt Devil� floor care brands and businesses. 2002 March Acquired Ryobi� brand license and businesses in Australia and New Zealand for power tool and outdoor power equipment businesses. 2001 November Acquired the Homelite� brand and business for outdoor power equipment. 2001 August Acquired Ryboi� brand license and businesses in Europe for power tool and outdoor power equipment. 2001 March Entered into a long-term agreement to supply Ryobi� power tools to The Home Depot, the world�s largest home improvement retailer. 2000 August Acquired Ryobi� power tool brand license and business in North America.

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cj3b_jeep

04-19-2007 09:51:50




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 15:59:11  
Yep, and they just announced the closing of the North Canton, Ohio Hoover plant to the tune of 1,000 jobs, the company was founded in North Canton. They're moving the jobs to Texas and Mexico.



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Tim Casbolt

04-18-2007 15:40:47




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
I can say for certain that Black & Decker does not own Milwaukee. And I concur that they are trying very hard to deliver improved quality on the products they have recently acquired. Every Dewalt tool I have owned was of very good quality and up to any task.



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CRUSADER

04-18-2007 14:34:12




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
A few years ago when I came back from England, I needed a new drill. I bought a Craftsman 14.4 volt drill driver at the BX and it has been working out quite well. Most of my work is for home maintenance and hobby so I couldn't justify spending the extra dollars for the Millwaukee or Porter Cable drill.

Jim



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ShepFL

04-18-2007 13:53:25




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
BTDT!!

I suggest Milwaukee. They cost a bit more but parts availability and warranty service is worth it. After burning up two 1/2 hammer drills on putting down holes RED HEAD anchors (metal shop uprights) I bit the bullet and went RED. I stand by them and they work!

Now when something dies I save and pinch pennies to replace it with Milwaukee. As a wise man told me once "Good ain't cheap and cheap ain't Good!"

HTH

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wyod

04-18-2007 13:32:03




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
Hey Dick,
Ya just can't go wrong with Bosch or Porter Cable... not cheap, but will git'r done!



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-18-2007 10:55:00




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
Hi Dick,

A few weeks ago on this forum jmixigo (that's a contributor's name, in case you're not familiar with it) provided the results of a real world situation that constituted a brutal test of all the major brands of angle grinders. It's on page 4 as I write this; its title is "Angle Grinder Torture Test Results." Maybe you read it. Bosch tromped on all the competition, by a wide margin, in my opinion. Granted, angle grinders are not cordless drills, but since all we have to go on sometimes is the general quality of different manufacturers' tools, the clear superiority of a tool in the same general class as the one you are considering is a pretty strong endorsement for that manufacturer. To me, anyway.

All the best, Stan

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circus

04-18-2007 09:25:49




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
Buy a el cheapo Harbor Freight for $35 on sale. Mine is 5 years old, chunks missing from falls and looks like hell. Love it.



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chvet73

04-18-2007 08:42:18




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
I have a Hitachi 3/8 set, 18v. Came with a flashlight, drill, 2 batteries and case. Got it Lowes. It has been the best drill I've had.



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Billylee

04-18-2007 08:12:38




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
Try a Milwaukee. They are are usually a little more costly but parts (brushes and battery packs) are readily available. Our custodial and maintenance staff swear by them. Good Luck, Billy



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mjbrown

04-18-2007 08:12:23




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 07:10:17  
I feel your anger. I had a rant on here awhile back about Delta. Delta owns Dewalt so it seems they are cut from the same cheap cloth. If the drill is something you will use a lot and you are willing to pay for quality you might want to consider Milwaukee or Bosch. Porter Cable was an excellent maker of tools but I don't know who owns them now. It it's Delta stay away.



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Mydeere

04-18-2007 09:46:59




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to mjbrown, 04-18-2007 08:12:23  
Delta does not own DeWalt. DeWalt was the commercial line of Black and Decker. Delta is owned by Pentair which also owns Porter Cable. Both the Delta and Porter Cable are what used to be Rockwell. Milwaukee is now owned by the chinese so I don't know how much longer their tools will be made here but I've noticed that alot of their stuff is plastic now instead of metal. They are all going down hill in quality in my opinion. If they continued to make them the way they used too, no one could afford to buy them.

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mjbrown

04-18-2007 15:41:54




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Mydeere, 04-18-2007 09:46:59  
The Delta website said Delta/Dewalt when I went there to complain. Whoever owns whom, I never got an answer from them.



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wyod

04-18-2007 13:27:34




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Mydeere, 04-18-2007 09:46:59  
Hey D,
While you are correct that Delta/PC WERE owned by Pentair... the whole she-bang was recently purchased by Black & Decker. When the buy-out first happened, I thought it would be the end of both divisions, but it seems that the B&D group is busy trying to undo the havoc that Pentair wreaked over many years. Originally, Delta (Rockwell) was in the woodworking machinery business... Porter Cable specialized in woodworking power tools. Beginning in the mid to late 90's, Pentair began to blur those lines and had both divisions trying to build and sell whatever might produce a profit. It seemed Delta suffered the most, but both division's reputation for quality was significantly diminished. B&D seems intent on restoring the integrity of both companies... lets hope it works!

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Dick2

04-18-2007 14:34:37




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to wyod, 04-18-2007 13:27:34  
I read somewhere that B&D, besides buying Delta & Porter Cable, also bought Milwaukee. Does anyone know for certain?

B&D made a brief commitment to quality when they bought DeWalt, but it certainly looks like that went by the wayside after DeWalt gained market share. That's the way of too many companies; ie, design a good product that the public will buy - and then cheapen it and reduce quality.

My buddy likes his Ryobi tools that are made locally here. I only have one Bosch tool (an electric hand planer), but it works great.

But if it's all mostly junk now, I'll just buy Harbor Freight cheap when it's on sale and get by with that.

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Bernoulli/OR

04-18-2007 16:15:51




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 Re: Tool rant... in reply to Dick2, 04-18-2007 14:34:37  
I have two Milwaukee corded drills and a Porter-Cable cordless. My shipwright friends swear by Milwaukee. I sure like them. I'm having trouble with aftermarket batteries for the P-C. None of the 4 I purchased work. I'm currently in Australia, and when I return to the US, I'll get a Milwaukee cordless to replace it. It's either $$$$$ or junk here.



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deanop

04-19-2007 11:50:10




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 Re: Tool rant...bosch is best in reply to Bernoulli/OR, 04-18-2007 16:15:51  
For just the warranty that bosch puts behind its cordless drill, is good enough reason to buy it..deanop



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