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OT: House insurance-what a scam!

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Midwest redneck

04-17-2007 14:27:16




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I just got my yearly premium. HOLY $HIT!!!!! What a racket. $901 for 1 year. Am I getting *aped or what? 2500ft. sq. house, wood frame, ranch, no basement, big garage, wood stove, $244,000 home replacement coverage if it burns down to the footings. No claims ever....on a house. Makes me sick.




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Doug in Illinois

04-20-2007 15:43:50




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
You think buying insurance for a house is tough, just try living in the country in a mobile home over 10 years old with any older outbuildings on the property. Doesn"t matter everything in the MH was repaired/remodeled/replaced by us before we moved in. Car insurance company I was with since 1993 said they would insure, but when they sent underwriting out underwriting gave a list of deficiencies as long as my arm. For instance, had one cracked window in a storage building. Fixed it, but they say need to replace complete frame and all. My back steps weren"t good enough. Replaced them with metal, now they say need handrails. They say one building needs an engineers report, agent finally found out they were talking about the barn. It is old with wood peg build. Agent went to bat for me, even came out and took pictures and certified she saw no problems in as much as most of her houses she insured were much worse shape than any problems here. Now that they have cancelled me, I can"t seem to get insurance for it an any cost thanks to the wonderful device the insurance companies are using called the clue report. If you ever make a claim, you will find yourself in the same boat thanks to clue. Probably needless to say, but they no longer have my auto business either, and that is 5 vehicles.

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Willy-N

04-19-2007 22:55:35




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
I got back over 15 years worth of premiums on one claim. The stuff I got the money for was burnt trees and some damaged fence. I feel it was worth it and I pay what you do. Going to be a long time before they break even again with me. Mark H.



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Eric SEI

04-18-2007 18:13:00




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Remember insurance is a bet you hope to lose.

Check into mutual insurance companies, policy holders own the company so any profits flow back to the policy holders. Of course, if they are not run well they can be just as expensive, but they are an option to consider.



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Rich Va

04-18-2007 05:18:44




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Get the plan that includes your vehicles,that will save money too if you haven't already done that. And do what some of the others said,start shopping around for cheaper rates. In my area farm bureau does not have the cheapest rates,I dumped them after only one year.



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Bob - MI

04-18-2007 05:12:05




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Shop around. These guys keep taking until you scream. You need to have some compelling reason to stay with these guys. If not, look for an independent agent who is anxious to get the business. He will help you get the best deal.

Remember that insurance companies are simply attorneys and accountants. Tough to win there.



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brad siegmund

04-18-2007 03:49:25




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
I"m not too worried about the insurance industries ability to stay in business. like the banking or investment industries they seem to manage nicely. My theory is that all this"insurance" money is one of the big things that separates America from many other countries where life insurance, for example, is unheard of. It is a driving force in our economy.



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Midwest redneck

04-18-2007 02:34:27




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 Re: OT: gotta price it out more in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
I will call around, I also will send an email to the broad at the agency and see if she can call around and see if somebody else is cheaper. If you really think about the profits they rake in. For example: In my township there may be 3000 homes, 1 or 2 burn down in a year with premiums at $1000 per house and 2 houses are destroyed and they have to pay out $400,000 for 2 houses and they get $3,000,000 in premiums they are making out very well. Last year I called state farm and another place and state farm wanted $1,350 for 1 year. THe other one was $1,100/yr. Now here is a another idea, What if you paid for 2 years of house insurance and you got 15% off the bill, cause the insurance company got to keep more of your money. The reason I feel ripped off is because 6 years ago the insurance was $600/yr and now it is $900/yr.

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dhermesc

04-18-2007 06:02:13




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 Re: OT: gotta price it out more in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-18-2007 02:34:27  
Home insurance covers a lot more then just fires. How much do you think they paid out for storm damage (hailed out roofs etc..). How many homes were broke into, usually the break in alone is about $1000 before they even steal anything. Then you have some kid getting bit by the neighbor's dog and his parents sue for a $1,000,000.

As for it going from $600 to $900, bet your carrier had a few policies down in LA and MS when Katrina went through.

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midwest redneck

04-19-2007 09:22:43




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 Re: OT: gotta price it out more in reply to dhermesc, 04-18-2007 06:02:13  
True there is theft, (loss of contents) As far as dogs go there is an itemized list of stuff on the renewal policy statement and they ask if you have a pool, a dog, a business, storm damage, trees falling etc. I have still never had a homeowners claim in 16 years of having my own house. Yes I would think that the hurricanes down south made the premiums go up for most of us.



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PaulN (WA)

04-18-2007 00:35:54




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Well the aompanies and their agents will tell you its all based on statistics. Sure, but there's something I learned after working in finance for years, and that is, "Figures don't lie. Liars figure". I moved way out to a rural area and they doubled my car insurance. More accidents per capita they say. It's all a crock! In my state we have the best insurance commissioners/regulators money can buy!

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Hal/WA

04-17-2007 23:25:52




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
You might try shopping around for a better rate, but make sure that the coverage is equal.

Insurance is kind of like gambling. The insurance company gives you a rate for a given time, and is gambling that you will not make a claim, or at least that any claim would not be for the maximum values of the policy. And the insurance companies make money, because most people never make any claims. If more people made claims, the company would have to charge more to stay in business.

The insurance companies base their rates on a number of things, but mostly the risk that they think there is. This depends on lots of factors, including location, construction and what is believed to be going on there. The rates also have to do with what the companies have had to pay out in the area and also as a company. Although I live about 2000 miles from the Katrina damage, my insurance has gone up this year a significant amount. I bet the people in that area will be paying through the nose for future insurance!

Another problem is that you have a wood stove. I used to live in a mobile home in which I had installed a wood stove. It was a good installation, done legally, with inspection and permits, and I never had a claim that had the slightest connection with the wood stove. But I paid huge insurance premiums and eventually the first company I had insurance with cancelled me, since they had decided to not offer insurance to any mobile homes with wood stoves any more. Then I really paid high insurance rates--the last couple of years, more than 10% of the value of the mobile home. When I built my new house, I didn't put in a wood stove, partly to avoid the high insurance rates.

I liked what the guy wrote about the most expensive insurance being the insurance you don't buy. You can get by without insurance, assuming you are not required to have in by a lending agency. I know lots of people who don't have any house insurance. But they are in a position to lose everything they own if somehow they are put in a serious liability position. I know a couple of families that have had to completely start over from nothing after having house fires that were not covered by insurance. If you don't have anything, it probably doesn't mean much. But I have accumulated some things that mean something to me. So I buy insurance in an amount that I hope is sufficient to take care of any eventuality.

But every few years, I do some price comparison shopping, and have found better deals at times. Check around, you might be able to save some money, but make sure you continue to be adequately protected. Good luck!

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Easy1

04-17-2007 22:08:27




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
I live not too far from you, and I have found there was a tremendous difference in insurance rates, from 1 company to another. I cut my insurance in half by changing companies. For better coverage. My original policy was referred to me when I bought the house. I do get a little off for having a yard hydrant in back. But I got a nice reduction ( 10% ) when I got rid of my woodburner. Some companies don't want to insure you with a woodburner. And the farther you are from the nearest fire hydrant and fire station, the more it costs. You got me curious, I am going to look at my policy, I haven't looked at it in a couple of years.

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Easy1

04-17-2007 22:11:28




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Easy1, 04-17-2007 22:08:27  
I think a couple guys here might sell insurance...



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George D.

04-17-2007 21:54:20




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 Re: Insurance in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
You know what they say about insurance:

The greatest expense that you will ever incur is for insurance that you needed but did not buy.

Yeah, it stinks that the insurance companies have us over a barrel like they do, but really, what choice is there?

My 2� worth.

-- Geo. D.



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dave guest

04-17-2007 19:18:00




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
What did they call it in high school economics class?-a monopoly when all these companies get together to decide minimums to charge for insurance. Thats what you got! In mich about 10 years ago somehow he newspapers printed that average insurance company profits were something like 47%. Next day, story came out this was a big mistake and it should have been 2%. No doubt in my mind which was the right figure. Had a friend 90 years old, had insurance for 40 years, never a claim. Last year company said his area was unsafe and they would not insure at all, for any price. Not right and never will be in this world. Next is a lot better. Are you ready?

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dave guest

04-17-2007 19:17:32




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
What did they call it in high school economics class?-a monopoly when all these companies get together to decide minimums to charge for insurance. Thats what you got! In mich about 10 years ago somehow he newspapers printed that average insurance company profits were something like 47%. Next day, story came out this was a big mistake and it should have been 2%. No doubt in my mind which was the right figure. Had a friend 90 years old, had insurance for 40 years, never a claim. Last year company said his area was unsafe and they would not insure at all, for any price. Not right and never will be in this world. Next is a lot better. Are you ready?

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Rural OH

04-17-2007 18:51:18




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
I just got a policy on a house in rural OH. I don't recall the exact amount, but there was a significant increase for not having a fire-hydrant nearby . . . something like 20-30% or more. As it was explained to me, having a pond doesn't matter since there is no guarantee that a pumper truck will respond to the fire. There was also a premium for being outside of a certain distance from the fire-station (something on the order of 5 miles).

The assumption on the part of my insurance company is that if my house catches fire it will likely burn to the ground since the fire dept will likely arrive too late to stop it with the water in tanks on the fire trucks. That made my premium on this house considerably higher than the premium on my last house which was otherwise nicer, more expensive, etc.

Might not hurt to call your insurance agent and ask what specifically is adding the most to your policy. Mine was very helpful with that. Don't forget also that your policy covers the contents of the house as well -- maybe that's set way too high (mine was), or you've got replacement coverage instead of regular depreciated-value coverage.

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CNKS

04-17-2007 18:18:57




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Sounds like a bargain to me. I'm paying that much for about $180000 or so. What you want is inflation protection, so that the coverage goes up a little each year.



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djw

04-17-2007 17:26:40




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Yeah, That seems high to me , just had this disscusion with a friend, Insurance companies are in it to make obscene money on us. There betting your house won't burn down, and check statistics, it won't!! Just like life insurance, they charge you when you are young, and when you really need it when you are older, they raise the rates so much you can't afford it. Take that annual premium and put it in the bank , you will have something to show for your hard earned money. Dave

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RayP(MI)

04-17-2007 18:12:56




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to djw, 04-17-2007 17:26:40  
Only thing is that insurance companies invest that money, and probably can get far better return than we can by putting it in the bank.



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RayP(MI)

04-17-2007 17:18:00




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Check with an independent agent. They can compare the rates for several companies and compare apples to apples. If you try this on your own, you wil get met with a bewildering selections of options, quotes, etc.



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Duke(WNY)

04-17-2007 16:55:34




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Try finding a local insurance company that only covers your local area. I cut my insurance bill in half by going with a company that only insures in NY.- They don't have any losses from the hurricanes down south that everyone has to pay for. Most of the national insurance companys make everyone pay for things that happen whereever they insure.



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GeneMO

04-17-2007 16:23:29




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Insurance companys are a business. They provide a valuable service. Without them we couldn't get loans, etc. Your real problem is ambulance chasing attorneys who sue and collect damages for injurys that didn't happen.. The legal sustem is broken and liberal jury's award damage that cause the ins industry millions, if not billions.. You are paying the bill for all those folks who burn their houses because they can't make the payment, or, are getting a divorce, and its easier to burn the house and split the$$$. Spill hot coffee on your lap, sue McDonalds and collect millions!!! The main culprit is Attorneys and out litigious society. You are paying for all the crooks and the blood sucking lawyers!!!!! We need a bounty on Lawyers!!!!!


Gene

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jdemaris

04-17-2007 15:53:16




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 $546 per year for $260K coverage in NY in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
I don't know how it varies so much. I live in central New York in a dairy-farming area (Otsego County). Our house is covered for full-replacement value of $260,000. Our annual premium is $471 plus we have to pay a $75 membership fee - also paid every year to the Farm Bureau.
Up to last year our insurance was $275 - but along with the house insurance, all our barns were covered and also all our remote properties - anywhere in New York - they got automatic liability coverage.
Now - that's all been dropped - only our house is covered - but was upped from $150K to $270K coverage. Here I thought we were getting ripped off paying $546 per year. Now - after reading some other posts - guess we're doing pretty good.

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dhermesc

04-18-2007 06:06:03




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 Re: $546 per year for $260K coverage in NY in reply to jdemaris, 04-17-2007 15:53:16  
As my B-I-L just learned Farm Bureau is great insurance until you have claim.



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jdemaris

04-18-2007 07:01:46




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 Re: $546 per year for $260K coverage in NY in reply to dhermesc, 04-18-2007 06:06:03  
You may be correct. Never filed a claim in my life with car insurance or house insurance. So I don't know if any of them or good - or - not.

I didn't have much choice. There was a big change in homeowners insurance last year - at least here in New York. Most companies will no longer allow a homeowner to partially insure. It's full replacement - or nothing. My previous company wanted me to go to full coverage, and get rid of all our farm animals, and triple our rate. That's how we wound up dropping them and buying from Farm Bureau instead.

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Jim Broughton

04-17-2007 15:51:36




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Redneck; I agree with the others, you've got a pretty good deal there. Insurance rates are determined by "heat source" (wood stove) distance from and rating of the nearest fire department,closest water source (pond, river close by, type of roof on your structures, etc. so all in all, you've got a really good quote. Best of luck. Jim B.



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SDE

04-17-2007 14:52:44




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Everyone needs to make a living. The Ins. Cos. need to be profitable to stay in business also.
Shop around or maybe you are one of the many people in this country who believes you deserve to have it all, and want it now, even if you don't have the income to provide for it.

244,000 divided by 901= 270 payments

Not trying to be a jerk about it, but so many people think they should be entitled to two cars, a boat , ATVs, ETC... and bankruptcy if it doesn't work out.

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Midwest redneck

04-17-2007 16:12:57




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to SDE, 04-17-2007 14:52:44  
I can afford the insurance, I just dont like getting ripped off.



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GeneMO

04-17-2007 16:35:14




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 16:12:57  
You're not getting ripped off, that is a reasonable rate.


Gene



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Midwest redneck

04-17-2007 17:21:43




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to GeneMO, 04-17-2007 16:35:14  
My 2500sq foot home was $600 in 2001 and now is $900, Hmmm I smell money leaving my wallet here.



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esd19

04-17-2007 14:49:06




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
REALLY CHEAP!!!! i think i'd hurry up and pay this before they realize the mistake they made! i pay more for less but then my closest neighbor is 1 mile away so i figure i'm paying for solitude!



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IH2444

04-17-2007 14:47:03




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Be glad you are not in FL. I have friends down there paying 3,500 for about the same house.

I pay about $600/YR I think on about a 100,000 house.



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TimWafer

04-17-2007 14:35:42




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:27:16  
Well, to me thats dirt cheap! I pay nearly $1300 a year for a house valued at 130,000 in NY. Seems to me yours ought to be 2,400 figuring at that rate! ;-)



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Midwest redneck

04-17-2007 14:45:44




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to TimWafer, 04-17-2007 14:35:42  
yeah, but....NY sucks. and you have that *ITCH senator.



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TimWafer

04-17-2007 17:09:54




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:45:44  
Well, gota agree with you about the *itch. She aint no friend of mine for sure!!! I was only funin you anyhow! I hate insurance companies and my brother is an agent! Sorta the black sheep of the family, dont cha know! Between insurance and the damn taxes you cant win.



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Tim B from MA

04-17-2007 14:51:36




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 14:45:44  
Nice ... why don't you put that on the politics forum where that kind of BS belongs.



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GeneMO

04-17-2007 16:33:09




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-17-2007 14:51:36  
Where is the politics forum? I could give them heck there. Facts and truth eventually trumps communist propaganda.


Gene



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Midwest redneck

04-17-2007 17:23:14




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to GeneMO, 04-17-2007 16:33:09  
The politics is at the bottom of all the tractor title forums. I havent been on there in a year or 2.



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Midwest redneck

04-17-2007 16:14:13




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-17-2007 14:51:36  
Do you like Billary or something? I hate her.



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Pitch

04-17-2007 17:23:24




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 Re: OT: House insurance-what a scam! in reply to Midwest redneck, 04-17-2007 16:14:13  
Check around with a different company. I have a 2400 sq ft ranch in NY assesed at 138,00 one outbulding. 3 miles from one fire company 6 from another. Adequate water (pond) within 100 yards. National company State farm wanted 1400 per year. Shopped aruond found a company with the exact coverage for 487.



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