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How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug

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Krout

04-15-2007 22:11:15




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I have a couple to move. Any old fashioned good physics ideas short of hiring someone else to do it?




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cadet trooper

04-18-2007 16:37:11




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
I understand fertilizer and diesel fuel works but I have no idea how and I don't want to know. Make sure you're insurance is paid up and consider a leave of absence for about say maybe 20 years at Levenworth Kansas providing no one gets hurt. You could just lease it to the Army tank testing division and probably would be reduced to more sand.



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Eric SEI

04-18-2007 18:22:22




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to cadet trooper, 04-18-2007 16:37:11  
The USDA used to have a bulletin on how to blow up stumps using ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel, but I don't think they hand it out anymore. I'm sure that the instructions are in the Anarchists Cookbook, but probably half the sites selling it are run by Federal law enforcement depts.



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GeneMO

04-17-2007 16:43:29




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
BTDT, 3/4 inch hole in rock with a masonary bit. Drill the hole as deep as possible. Fill with black powder. Insert cannon fuse. 7/8 inch dowell rod, cut and tapered to fit in hole, cut a slot to accept the fuse. You can soak the dowell rod in water overnight. Drive the dowell rod into the hole, with the fuse in the slot you previously cut. Pound the heck out of it.. Have plenty of fuse. Light and E&E ( escape and evade). This will break the rock into pieces. It works, I have " Gotter did"

Gene

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JoeK(WI)

04-16-2007 22:24:56




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Well to do lady bought one of them "VW sized,farmed around for years" boulders several yrs back from my Dad.She wanted it for "garden" of her 240K"summer cabin".Local contractor dug it out and rolled it onto a partly buried dropdeck semi trailer with a big(D10?)Cat.Actual size once out was more like 2VWs belly to belly.
Contractor scaled it at 42Ton and made some serious $$ moving and locating it the way she wanted.Pop got the current price for stone of $24@ton,so it was a nice 1000+bucks and fodder for many tales about folks w/more money than common sense.By the by,solid stone avgs between 5700-6600lb per cubic meter,or about double concrete.

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Don L C

04-16-2007 19:27:30




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Call a big landscaper, they will pay you for it and hall it away.....



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Earl-IL

04-16-2007 18:40:03




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
I don't know where you live,but here in Illinois all you would need to do is call a landscape business. Here they would buy your rock and move it out of your way. The last I checked no one is making any of the original equipment rocks. LOL They get big money selling those boulders. Let us know about your rocks. Earl



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Krout

04-17-2007 20:58:09




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Earl-IL, 04-16-2007 18:40:03  
There are more than 1,000 lakes and 1,000,000 acres of woods in our county. My land is on a 350' deep iron ore pit lake. There are several massive rocks. I don't think the rocks are a rare commodity here so doubt the landscape folks will be anxious to help me. Your comment reminds me of th 6' of black dirt in the red river valley. In that country they would think it silly to buy dirt by the yard. Here we have clay, sugar sand, and red rock so we buy dirt! More frugal folks scape loon poo if they can get by with it. The agriculture here is timber.

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Earl-IL

04-17-2007 21:47:37




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-17-2007 20:58:09  
If you haven't asked you won't every know. Try EBAY!!!!! !



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IA Roy

04-16-2007 18:38:18




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
I have heard about digging a deep hole next to it and deeper and rolling the rock into it. However, after a hundred years or so, it will have raised backto the surface.



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krout

04-16-2007 13:55:50




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
A few are about the size of a Volkswagon bug and they are 1/2 buried. I don't have the HP with a small case and a Fergie to do anything. I know how to split the rock just wandered if anyone had a trick to moving w/o making gravel.



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135 Fan

04-16-2007 17:41:55




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to krout, 04-16-2007 13:55:50  
Dig around it so it will have room to roll. Then just keep rolling it. If you have to hire someone get a backhoe. It will be able to roll it easier and pull it around. Dave



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Maine Fordson

04-16-2007 16:05:37




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 Work smarter, not harder. . . in reply to krout, 04-16-2007 13:55:50  
If you are just looking to be able to access the majority of the surface area without actually digging around the stone (i.e., "making gravel"), try an old trick my grandfather showed me:

Take an iron crowbar and drive it down into the ground in several places, close to the stone and all the way around it. Then take a handful of cracked corn and dump it into each hole. Next, put a small fence around the stone a few feet out from it, and pen up a couple of pigs inside.

The pigs will root out around the stone to get at the cracked corn. If you need to get deeper, drive more holes with the crowbar and add more cracked corn until you get the depth you need.

Once you do this, the stone will no longer be half-buried, and you can get a chain on it or do whatever it is you plan on doing next. . .

For me, the next task would be finding equipment big enough to move something of that size and weight -- I'd strongly consider splitting that stone in half at least once before trying to move it; it's awfully easy to break equipment and bend things when dealing with this kind of super-heavy stuff.

-- Maine Fordson

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cadet trooper

04-16-2007 15:21:39




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to krout, 04-16-2007 13:55:50  
I know this a repeat of what everyone else said but maybe you could contact the Army Corp of Engineers and they might be able to direct you to an Army reserve base or National Guard unit that could use some training on EO I've seen it done Boy is it awesome. I wouldn't do it again without field glasses maybe 500 yards away. I had an old friend that cleared his whole farm that way but unfortunately he has past, great man was a demo expert during WWII. Good Luck. BTW if you do make sure you are a safe distance from buildings with windows.

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Davis In SC

04-16-2007 18:25:09




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to cadet trooper, 04-16-2007 15:21:39  
Good idea, about using pigs... I wonder if any pigs ever got squashed, if the rock rolls ?



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Cliff (VA)

04-16-2007 13:34:43




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Feathers and wedges work pretty well to split rocks. Drill a series of holes in a line, insert feathers, insert wedges, and then work your way up and down the line pounding each in turn. If you can find the "grain" of the rock it splits most easily along the grain.

The feathers and wedges are reusable and not terribly expensive. I bought a set of 3/4" ones off of the internet. I would recommend an SDS rotary hammer to drill the holes, however.

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the tractor vet

04-16-2007 10:55:17




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Short of heavy equipment, explosives when ya could go down to the local hardware storee and buy a case or bringing in a compressore and rock drills i have no ideal . Ran into a rock one time at a farm that i rented wright in the middel of the field after a year of farmen around it i got the hair brain idea that my New mighty 310 G case dozer would move it Yea wright . The 4 foot sticking out of the ground was JUST THE TIP OF THE ICE BURG . The more dirt i moved the wider it got when i was down about five feet it was starten to get smller . The mighty 310 would not even shake it got the one neighbor to bring his TD 14 over and the two of us never moved it brought in two Farmall 450 D' one MD one M gas one 504 and a H plus the two dozers . Must have been the weight of the chains as it still would not move . Ok time for the rock drill barrowed a big compressor and two rock drills spent the better part of a day drillen holes . Now if i can not move it in one pice then i am going to make gravel after we charged the holes and the big bang went off i think that 16 sticks was a bit much. this rock was twice as big a both dozer combined . Like i said WAS.

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jd b puller

04-18-2007 17:21:00




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to the tractor vet, 04-16-2007 10:55:17  
I think I figured out your problem. You whould have lined them tractors up end to end, not circled the rock and pulled against each other... hehehehe



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bo

04-16-2007 10:17:52




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Make a rock sled...sheet of metal, roll the rock on it, haul it away.



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old

04-16-2007 08:15:47




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Theres many ways to move them but with out knowing what you have as far as tractors etc its hard to say for sure. I've seen some good size rocks moved with not a very big tractor by useing cables and block and tackle set up. It slow going but they did get moved



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circus

04-16-2007 07:03:35




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Post a note in the local tavern making a contest out of moving your boulder. Supply beer.



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David - OR

04-16-2007 06:32:54




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Buy or rent a big hammer drill, make a row of 1.5 inch holes, and use an expanding grout product to split the rocks.

The grouts are a lot less "fun" than various high-explosives, but one of them should break those boulders into more manageable pieces. You can buy such products over the counter, and use them without worry about "National Security Letters" and the like.

One example is this stuff:

http://www.cessco.us/dexpan.html

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glennster

04-16-2007 05:57:01




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
how far do you have to move them and what type of equipment do you have??. you can try making a sled out of rail road ties and then set he sled on some stout round fence posts or old telephone poles. you can drag the sled with a tractor and keep moving the poles so the sled will roll on em. getting the boulders on the sled will be tough work.



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Bob

04-16-2007 05:50:05




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
YEARS ago, a neighbor knew how to deal with things like that. Nowadays, POSTING about HOW he did that would probably bring a visit from Homeland Security!



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Sid

04-16-2007 05:29:49




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
If you can build a fire on top of them or next to them. It would best if you could get under them a little bit.



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slowfolk

04-16-2007 05:27:33




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Mud capping with dynamite will do the job.



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rgvtx

04-16-2007 04:42:22




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
Are they on top of the ground, partially underground or completely buried?



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sjh

04-16-2007 03:54:48




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to Krout, 04-15-2007 22:11:15  
I would say dynomite uses several laws of physics.



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RayP(MI)

04-16-2007 18:24:23




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 Re: How to move a boulder the size of a VW Bug in reply to sjh, 04-16-2007 03:54:48  
As a youngfeller, I was pretty good with dynomite.
Ag teacher asked us to make a teaching aid for use in class. I made a slide show, from digging out underneath, to a shower of rocklets coming down. Today that would have got me suspended from school permanantly! Unfortunately, can"t buy the stuff anymore. Used to bring home a case at a time in the trunk of the car from the local hardware. Now, gotta be licensed, and have connections to even get near a supplier. PS - reduced a number of car sized rocks to lotta picking up pieces!

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