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recommend a MIG welder

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mark

04-05-2007 16:31:21




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Fellers, let me first state that I am NOT a welder but want to buy something for use in the shop. There will be no production work done and most items will be repairs of things that fall off or come apart! I do not need to overbuy, but don't want hamstring myself with a machine that is very limited in what it can or can't do. My pockets have bottoms and therefore some high dollar deluxe grade machine is definitely out of reach....but I do intend to buy a quality domestic brand.

So, based on this criteria, tell me what brands and models I need to look at. Thanks!

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george md

04-07-2007 12:58:07




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
Mark,

In your first two sentences you have given two reasons for not buying a mig welder .You say you are not a welder , good reason to learn to weld with a torch and then progress to a stick machine. You are doing repair welding
and not production , good reason to have a stick
machine as there are many more speciality rods
available for stick than mig . Having been in the repair business for the last
35 years and having a lincoln idealarc 250 ,there
has not been much that came in the door that I
couldn't fix.I also have a high frequency unit
on the 250 so that I can tig weld, and I do have a small mig welder . But after using it some ,I
don't even buy gas for any longer. If I was doing sheet metal or car bodies , then a mig would would be useful. I highly recomend a good ac/dc stick welder.
And by the way I still use a torch for many of the jobs. I do quite a lot of cast iron
repair and you WILL do that with a torch if
you want a good repair.Much of the cast repair
that I do is manifold repair. Below is something that you cannot do with a mig .

george

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mark

04-07-2007 10:17:40




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
Thanks to everybody for their input. Now I have some direction to look in and will be able to make a reasonable choice.

As for stick welders...well, they are what they are and that's why I want a MIG welder! After I watched my son in law use his MIG, I thought..there ain't no looking back...especially for what I have in mind.



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bjr

04-06-2007 13:42:54




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 Would you consider a stick welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
I have a small hobby farm and build & trade/swap implements for cat 1 hitch for about 30 hp machines. I have a ,Idealarc 250 lincoln ac/dc. I stick weld everything and use a variety of rod. I use 6011 the most. 3/32 and 1/8 sizes. Farming stuff usually dirty and maybe poor fit, so a fast freeze rod works good for me. I don't want to restart the Mig/Stick war again but for everyday just get it done type work on a variety of thickness steels a stick welder works for me. bjr

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james braley

04-06-2007 13:47:12




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 Re: Would you consider a stick welder in reply to bjr, 04-06-2007 13:42:54  
not to start a war ether but i personly use a 205 hobart stickmate and its done good by me.



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glennster

04-06-2007 07:47:52




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
stick with a name brand welder, if you have a welding supply near you see what they carry, and get that brand. if your welder needs parts, you can go right there and get em. we have millers here at the shop and a snap on. the snap on is a pia when something wears out or breaks, you call and 800 number, week later a part show up. our millers the welding store stocks most all parts, you can run and get them. our little miller is a 135, 110 v, good for lite work. cost around 550.00. we have two millermatic 250's, they are 220v single or 3ph, they run about 1300.00 .

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Mike M

04-06-2007 05:13:00




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
I have a lincoln SP100 and it has been a good machine. Problem is you get so used to using it for everything when something heavy comes along it isn't big enough ! and you wish it was so now you got to drag that old buzz box out and use it. Go for the largest model you can afford.



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Stan in Oly, WA

04-05-2007 19:07:03




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
Hi Mark,

All very good advice so far. I work at a Community College welding shop where we have a good variety of Lincoln and Miller wire feed welders. There were a few ESABs there several years ago, but they got taken out of service before I ever got around to trying them. The department head told me they were always having wire feeding problems. Oh, there's one Pow-Con inverter welder there too. I don't know anything about it.

With the choice of using any of more than a dozen wire-feed welders, including four big Miller 3-phase monsters that are currently set up for dual shield and will put out 600 amps, our three little Lincoln 175 Plus single-phase machines get about as much use as any. They're the most portable welders in the shop for one thing, and they're not intimidating at all, for another. The way you describe how you expect to use a welder makes me think that you would be very happy with one of these Lincolns.

New Lincoln 175's sell on e-Bay all the time for about $500-$600, including shipping, but most of them are Pro-Mig 175's, not 175 Plus's. The Pro-Mig 175 is a cheaper welder; for instance, amperage settings are fixed, not infinitely adjustable. It's not that big a deal, but there may be other "cost cutting" features as well.

I'm in favor of sticking with the major brands, for the most part. For instance, I was interested in the Panasonic Gunslinger that someone mentioned earlier, but decided that it may lack support in the near future. A large West Coast dealer that I check out on e-bay recently dropped it from their line. That said, there is one unfamiliar source that might be worth taking a look. HTP America has been selling Hungarian made welders in the U.S. for more than 20 years. Find them online and have them send you a free catalog. I've been intrigued by their equipment for several years now. Their MIG welders seem kind of clunky, kind of yesterday's technology, but very solid and well-constructed. Only copper windings in the transformers, only metal wire-feed wheels---that kind of thing. It wouldn't cost you anything to take a look.

All the best, Stan

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135 Fan

04-05-2007 22:16:53




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 04-05-2007 19:07:03  
The gunslingers have been around for quite a while. Praxair was selling them a few years ago and I've seen them elsewhere as well. An Esab Mig Master is a rebadged Linde machine. They are good. Pow-Con were the first inverter machines and were so good that Miller bought them out. Miller makes the best inverters. Lincolns have had problems. We have an Esab inverter at work that is also a rebadged Linde (L-tech) that works very well. Inverters are very smooth and will work on single or 3 phase power. They are pricey however and repairs aren't cheap. Dave

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TimV

04-05-2007 17:21:49




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
I can echo 135fan on the 220-V machine. While a 110-V MIG is great for sheet metal, muffler work and light fabrication, it just doesn't have enough zip for heavier welding. A good compromise of cost and utility would be something in the 225-amp class, though some specifics on the heaviest welding you plan to do could modify that number. Make sure it's gas-compatible (most better rigs are) and it would be great to be able to test a few different machines, which the average big-box store won't probably be set up to do. This is a lifetime investment, and a few dollars "saved" by buying a low-buck no-name welder will come back to haunt you if you can't get parts and consumables a few years down the road. Miller, Hobart (owned by Miller and marketed as their economy line) and Lincoln are the big names, (at least in the US) and probably stand the best chance of having parts and service locally available.

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135 Fan

04-05-2007 17:03:59




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
If you can afford it get a 220 volt machine. It will have higher amperage if you want to do heavier work. Any Lincoln, Hobart, Esab or Miller machine will be a good choice. Panasonic has a good MIG and stick welder called a Gunslinger as well. You might find a good used unit. Look for one of the brands above or an L-TEC (Linde) or some other brand that has been bought out. If you're not sure ask on this forum or at a good welding supply. I would say new is better because you get warrantee and parts will be available. I'd also recommend buying from a welding supply. They can help you a lot more than just a dealer. Dave

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Grub

04-05-2007 16:58:12




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
I own a Hobart 175 and it is quite adequate for my repair/fabrication on a small farm. It is a 220V machine with the gas bottle. I am very happy with it and have yet to do more than the duty cycle will allow (I'm ready to quit before it is)

Grub



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Tim Brake

04-06-2007 07:11:08




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to Grub, 04-05-2007 16:58:12  
Grub is right the Hobart 175 is a great machine. I love mine. Hobart has replaced it with the 180 a few more bells & whistles but basically the same as the 175.



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mike6845

04-05-2007 16:54:42




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 Re: recommend a MIG welder in reply to mark, 04-05-2007 16:31:21  
Check your local Lowes, they may be clearancing out some Lincoln 135 (110vac)or 175's (220vac) for up to 1/2 price. This is the older but good version and subject to current inventories. I've seen a 175 for $357 but missed it. I bought a Hobart 187 from Sears.com during the recent 20% off tool sale.



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