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want to weld

03-22-2007 12:42:12




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In my basement there is a box were two pieces of wire were hooked together to run to my dryer someone must of had two pieces of wire left over from another job and it was cheaper to do it this way then buy one piece of wire. Anyway I plan on putting a plug there and unplugging the dryer to plug in the welder. I have another piece of wire that I am going to run about 25' to my furnace room were I can plug into an extension cord to go outside. I need a 50' extension cord what size wire do I need to make one? Also is there anything wrong with hooking up a welder like this?

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steveormary

03-23-2007 13:02:56




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
want to weld.

What do you mean by two pieces of wire. How many conductors are spliced in the box. If it is an old installaition each peice of wire( as you call them should have 3 conductors. A newer installation requires 4 conductors. With 3 conductors you will have 2 hot wires and a bare nuteral. With 4 wires you will have 3 insulated wires and one bare for ground. A 30 amp circuit is not large enuf to run a welder. You will need a 50 amp 230 volt and the 50 amp receptical and a 50 amp welder cord.

The main thing here is to make sure your installation is electrically safe. And as others have said,you shouldnt be welding in the basement.

steveormary

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Paul from MI

03-23-2007 04:41:03




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Like Dave Guest said-get an NEC code book. A lot depends on the kind of welder you plan on using. Most dryer circuits are 30 amp,#10 wire which is not large enough for most common 220 amp buzz box type welders. Also if you are going to run welder(or any other fairly heavy electrical device) from an extension cord of any length you have to consider voltage drop under load. There are calculations in the code book. You'll be amazed at how much drop you get when you calculate it. What this means to your welder is that input voltage is going to drop when you strike an arc, there fore welder output will also drop. That makes it harder to start your arc. Also, might want reconsider welding in the basement, both from a fire hazard and smoke point. Found out starting a chainsaw in the basement when wife was home wasn't a good idea either. Good luck,
Paul(Master Electrician)

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varmint

03-22-2007 18:49:11




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
i got my shop runnin on a couple trialer house cords spliced & sodered & wrapped with about a roll of electric tape. its buried arout 18in in the ground I run the compressor a couple welders lights an such with no trouble for 30 year s



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buickanddeere

03-22-2007 18:21:09




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Code book says to only use a 14-30R 30A dryer and 14-50R 50 amp stove plugs for dryers and stoves. No other loads. Your welder will need a 6-50R.



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dave guest

03-22-2007 18:09:06




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Borrow or buy National Electrical Code book and look under electric welders. You will find duty cycle chart which allows lower than obvious amperage draw according to duty cycle on welder tag. Welder with 50ampere primary may be fine on 40ampere wiring. This is the bible of the electrical industry. Use it. Read the whole chapter. Be safe and sure. Retired contractor in mich.



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Ron in Nebr

03-22-2007 18:03:19




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
This doesn't have anything to do with the electrical requirements, I'll let people who know more about it deal with that.....

But...reading your post....YOU'RE GONNA WELD IN the BASEMENT OF YOUR HOUSE????? ???? Can't imagine doing that! Besides the obvious fire risk, I think how every time I weld in our shop how quick the building fills with welding smoke.....couldn't imagine doing it in the basement of a residence! I used to get yelled at for spray painting in an attached garage due to the fumes!

Of course you might have already considered this and have a smoke-evacuation set up....just curious!

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TomTX

03-22-2007 17:27:07




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Kind/rating of welder?
How about explainig the 25 foot and the 50 foot; are you talking about 75 foot?
Rating of circuit/size of breaker?
How much welding/ intended amps/ AC/DC?
I am sure someone can help you, but need all basic info. Tom



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TMay

03-22-2007 14:19:24




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
I have a mig welder that runs on 220 amp and a buzz box. I have a extension cord that is 50' long. It is a 8/3 cord and have never had any trouble with it. I've used it with generators and regular house current. Hope this helps. Stay safe



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Don L C

03-22-2007 14:07:16




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Look at the courd on your welder.....that will tell you the wire size you need..... if you are going over 30 ft I would run this wire one size larger..... .youl need at least 40 amp breaker.....



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John T

03-22-2007 14:01:18




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Welder, The correct answer to your question is IT DEPENDS..... . Mainly on the welders amperage rating and at what welding amps youre using it IFFFFF FFFFF you wanna serve it from an existing branch circuit!!!

Ifffff the Dryer (depends on its size n rating of course) was only served by a 240 volt 30 amp branch circuit (typical 10 gauge wire and 30 amp circuit breaker), thats 0NLY rated for supplying 30 amps or 24 amps continuous..... .

HOWEVERRRRR RRRRR RRRRR R

Some (depends on size obviously) home or small shop welders require a 50 amp branch circuit (like 6 gauge wire) SO A 30 AMP BRANCH CIRCUIT IS INSUFFI0CIENT !!!!! !!!!!

Ifffff fff the Welder ONLY requires a 240 volt 30 amp branch circuit supply (doubt it unless its a smaller type) and provided the Dryer branch circuit has 10 gauge wire and is indeed a 30 amp branch circuit,,,,, then given a proper sized and matched receptacle (wall outlet) and plug (on the welders cord) you can use it to power the welder.

Ifffff fffff the Dryer was served by a 50 amp branch circuit, then of course, provided its all sized proper, that same branch circuit could power even a welder that requires 50 amps.

ALSO, its typical for a 240 volt welder to be served by a straight 240 volt branch circuit of 3 wires, 2 hots (240 VAC) and an equipment ground, WITH NO NEUTRAL. In the event (sorta doubt it but I dont have the welders specs) the welder required BOTH 120 VAC and 240 VAC (like it had some fancy shmancy 120 volt controls n other goodies) then the welder branch circuit would have to have 4 (2 Hots, Neutral, Ground) NOT just 3 (2 Hots and Ground) wires BUT AGAIN I DOUBT THAT AS MANY ARE STRAIGHT 240 VAC ONLY..... NO NEUTRAL REQUIRED

EXTENSION CORDS

AGAIN, the answer is IT DEPENDS on the wire length and the amperage load, buttttt ttttt tt if youre just talkin a plain old garden variety 120 volt 15 or 20 amp branch circuit and youre talkin 50 feet or so, 12 gauge wire (still depends on if cord or in air or conduit n insulation etc etc etc) will suffice. HOWEVER if youre talkin higher amperage it wouldnt hurt to use 10 gauge wire in order to reduce potential voltage drop across the cord(s). The short laymans answer would be simply to use 12 gauge wire which is plenty for medium loads and moderate distances BUTTTTT T if the wire lengths get close to 100 feet and/or the amps increase, then you may wanna consider the use of 10 gauge wire to reduce voltage drop and less I squared R heat energy losses in the wire.

AGAIN the load amps,,,,, wire length,,,,, ,,, and voltage requirements of the load is what determines the answer, but that being said, in typical home n shop 120 volt 15 and 20 amp branch circuits under 100 feet, 12 gauge wire should suffice..... ....

LET US KNOW THE WELDERS AMPERAGE N VOLTS REQUIREMENTS AND THE DRYER BRANCH CIRCUIT RATING FOR A BETTER ANSWER. See if the dryer was fed with 10 gauge wire (30 amp) or larger (like 6 gauge) ????? ????? ????? ? and check the circuit breaker rating that fed the dryers branch circuit i.e. see if its a 30 amp (probably) or 50 amp branch circuit.

Dont forget those outside circuits should be GFCI type, available either from a GFCI outlet or a GFCI circuit breaker.

John T (Long retired EE n a lil rusty, but I try n stay safe even if oversized n overkill circuitry is used)

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Glen in TX

03-22-2007 13:55:13




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 Re: welder extension cord in reply to want to weld, 03-22-2007 12:42:12  
Did that with some 6/3 cable for just a AC buzz box and auger motor. Works fine for just low amp welding like 120 or less for short times but if you are going to weld longer or higher amps better to have welder closer to power supply.



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