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'93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem

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Glenn FitzGeral

03-14-2007 12:42:43




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'93 Bonnieville, 3.8 v6, good/tight serpintine belt, good battery, clean battery connections.

For the last couple months, the above car has been doing funny things. At times the ampmeter registers zero, at times 8, and at times full (approx. 15). Up until now it had been dependable, so I did little to correct the problem. The last time I drove it, it stalled. I had to have it jump started. I then was able to drive it the 5 miles home. When I got home it was showing little activity on the ampmeter. I tapped the alternator fairly hard with a vice grip, and it began charging full again. Do you suppose the brushes are hanging up/worn out?

Thanks, Glenn F.

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Mark 2 in OHio

03-15-2007 09:08:07




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 Regulator inside the alternator in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
ITS THE REGULATOR INTERNAL TO THE ALTERNATOR>>>I DRIVE BONNEVILLES AND LESABERES< SAME ENGINE HAVE REPLACED 4 ALTERNATOR - all were doing the same thing after 40,000 + miles...one went out last week..needle was jumping all over...woudl do this intermittently, $90 at autozone.



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Revredneck

03-15-2007 07:11:30




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Genn,
I worked on those cars since they were new. If your battery is running down within a few miles, the alternator is failing. First be sure that the big red wire that runs from the back of the alternator to the battery is clean and tight, and if so, it's the alternator. That alternator is not really field serviceable, so just bite the bullet and take it to a rebuilder, or go buy another unit and replace it. Bottom line -- You need an alternator!!
Good Luck and God Bless, Tommy

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sd pete

03-15-2007 07:07:02




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
I had a problem similar to this on a 96 bonneville it was the positive batt. Cable connection at the battery terminal. Cleaned it real good and replaced the bolt and all was good.



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Bob

03-15-2007 01:29:03




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Those "CS" series Delco alternators can be really "flaky", and I'd guess with 90+% certainty that it is an internal alternator "issue" with the regulator, the rectifier, or the soldered (OEM "tig'ed") connections between the stator and the rectifier.



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KEB

03-14-2007 20:26:34




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Wait a minute. How can an alternator cause the system voltage to vary between 0, 8 and 15 at different times? If the alternator wasn't charging, you'd read the battery voltage, which would gradually decline until the electronics no longer worked.

What voltage do you read with the ignition on but the car not running. That would be the battery voltage.

In order for the voltmeter to act like you describe, either there's an intermittant loose connection somewhere between the battery & wherever the voltmeter connection is made, or the voltmeter itself is flakey. Attach another meter directly to the battery, read the voltage, start the engine. If the voltage goes up when you start the engine, the alternator is probably working. If it doesn't, then either there's a loose or corroded connection somewhere between the alternator and the battery (most likely), or the alternator isn't working plus you've got a flakey connection somewhere.

Keith

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tech4

03-15-2007 05:57:48




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to KEB, 03-14-2007 20:26:34  
I agree with KEB if that is a voltmeter - that is why a test with an external meter would sure give you a good clue. Those internal voltmeters usally have a 8 volt zener internal to expand the volt scale and so a reading of 0 could actually be anywhere from 0 - 8 volts.



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Glenn F.

03-14-2007 20:52:29




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to KEB, 03-14-2007 20:26:34  
Ampmeter, volt meter, I don't know the difference! Here's the way it usually goes: You start the car, drive 1-5 miles with the "meter" registering approx. 8. All the while the chime is chiming, telling you there is a problem. (Running the high speed blower lengthens the 1-5 mile distance.) Then the needle jumps back and forth from 8 to full charging a few times and soon stays at full charge (approx. 15). As of late the meter is spending quite a little time at zero, and unpredictably goes up to 8...15. Sometimes it maxes at 8 or never even leaves zero, with the chime driving you nuts all the while. A few miles at zero and the engine is starvig for electricity and soon stalls. A defective regulator COULD cause this--right?

Any help for a dummy? Thanks, Glenn F.

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Charles (in GA)

03-14-2007 19:38:30




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Thats a volt meter you are describing, not an ammeter, big difference. Flakey voltage sounds like a loose connection or a bad regulator.

Charles



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tech4

03-14-2007 18:43:43




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
A simple volt meter test would help a lot. Also make sure belt is not slipping.



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justanothercase

03-14-2007 16:38:23




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
a great website for gm parts is gmpartsdirect.com

The gm dealers in my area use it. i needed injector lines got one set from dealer saw where they got them and set up my own account. saved about 65% on the rest of the lines. Its a gm parts with full warranty.



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Dan498n

03-14-2007 16:35:20




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Replace the battery cables



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Glenn F.

03-14-2007 16:31:59




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 Scratchin' My Head in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Just took the alternator apart....Brushes are fine. I noticed a sticker on the housing, July '03. Apparently it's not the original. I bought the car 3.5 years ago....

Glenn



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matthies

03-14-2007 15:38:18




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
Some of the newer alternators are harder to get apart. See if anybody handles the brushes and bearings before disassembling to save time and maybe the core charge.



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CENTAUR

03-14-2007 13:47:58




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-14-2007 12:42:43  
I assume that the brushes are original and worn too short to make contact with the slip rings.You can replace these.The bearings at both ends of the ROTOR should be taken care of too.I would keep the original instead of replacing.CENTAUR



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oldrustycars

03-14-2007 15:13:02




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to CENTAUR, 03-14-2007 13:47:58  
I'll second that. You can replace the brushes and bearing for a few dollars. The rebuilts never seem to last as long as the originals. Not sure if this one still has the internal regulator, but consider replacing it while you're in there. Try to find AC Delco parts if possible.



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IH2444

03-15-2007 07:39:08




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 Re: '93 Bonnieville...Charging Problem in reply to oldrustycars, 03-14-2007 15:13:02  
I will third that, if whacking the alternator caused to to start charging, most likely the brushes.



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