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Glenn FitzGeral

03-13-2007 14:48:42




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HF lot# 543. 4-ton Cable Winch Puller. Anyone have this particular one? Will it work OK for a poor man's winch on my deckover trailer? I'll occasionally be loading tractors, etc. up to 8,000#.

Thanks, Glenn F.




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JD in da UP

03-18-2007 05:26:35




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
We have used the Masdan brand cable come-along here for years. It is the brand that all these other people are copying and making junk and giving cable types a bad name. Two of ours have lasted for 10 to 15 years before needing to be fixed up a little. 1 ton rated will move alot of stuff, costs about $40, worth every penny. Lubricated and kept inside somewhere they should last forever. We take off the hook attatched to the frame and replace it with a short chain, real handy for hooking to about anything.

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RN

03-17-2007 16:14:45




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
Got a couple- not sure of model. Use for pulling garden tractor onto trailer, transmissions onto pickup, motorcycle up ramp,etc. No 1000 lb straight lifts or 6000lb sleds- for that use a big chain triple sheave pulley system is available, heavy thing, not really needed for GoldWing up ramp. HF cheap, usefull light to medium occasional use. RN



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135 Fan

03-14-2007 17:02:45




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
The only good come-a-alongs are the chain ones! They are getting cheaper in cost all the time and worth every penny compared to the el cheapo cable ones. They will pull at least their rated capacity. Some of the really good ones even have a torque limiter so you can't overload them. Dave



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Ludwig

03-16-2007 06:30:35




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to 135 Fan, 03-14-2007 17:02:45  
A good cast iron cable puller is fine but you're right the cheapo pressed steel things are crap.

I worked on a bridge building crew one summer. We used to pour a test block about the size of a coffin. Broke 3 cheapo comealongs before somebody bought a good cast iron one. Never hurt that one a bit and it carried ALOT more cable and could do a single line pull where the cheapies were double. It cost, maybe $200 but was worth it.

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KEB

03-14-2007 20:30:20




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to 135 Fan, 03-14-2007 17:02:45  
I've looked intermittantly for one of the chain ones & haven't had any luck locally. Where did you get yours?

I've got several of the HF ones, they more or less work but they're so cheaply put together I never really trusted them.

Keith



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135 Fan

03-15-2007 15:49:00




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to KEB, 03-14-2007 20:30:20  
I got mine at an auction for $75 when a new one was close to $300. They are cheaper now. There are several different brands and any Grainger or other industrial supply should have them. There are even chinese copies made that seem OK. The chain come-a-longs are a lot more heavy duty. Tirfor cable pullers are in a different class than cable come-a-longs and a lot more money. The biggest problem I have with cable come-a-longs is when I go to let something down. Not very safe or easy in my opinion. A chain one you just flip a lever and ratchet it down, kind of like a chain hoist with a lever instead of a pull chain. Dave

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Aaron Ford

03-14-2007 15:55:04




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
We went through 3 TSC cheapo's trying to pull a truck onto an alignment machine. Truck was a 76 Dodge 6cyl shotbed. Not a heavy machine by anyone's standards. TSC was close so it did not matter. HTH Aaron



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Glenn F.

03-14-2007 12:14:41




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
Very interesting responses. Like Nolan said, I'm wondering if we're all talking about the same cable winch...how people's experiences/opinions can vary so widely. I haven't looked; is there a heavy duty cable winch manufactured in the US?


Glenn F.



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Wardner

03-15-2007 00:31:37




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn F., 03-14-2007 12:14:41  
"I haven't looked; is there a heavy duty cable winch manufactured in the US?"

Yes, Grip Hoist is one. They are expensive. Steel workers use them when pulling building frames into square prior to bolting or welding.

I don't have much of a problem with the cheapie cable winches. They are quick and easy. If I need more power or can't risk failure, I use my chain Budget or a roller chain com-a-long.

I'll bet that most of the failures with the imports happen when they are overloaded. Don't even think about using a cheater bar on the handle. A little spray lube can't hurt either.

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mlauk

03-14-2007 10:42:54




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
Junk, I broke mine on the third round bale of hay I was ratcheting up on a pickup bed hay spear.



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chvet73

03-14-2007 06:59:56




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
I have that one. It had no trouble pulling my not running Bobcat on to my flatbed. No complaints so far.



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Txsprigger

03-14-2007 08:05:55




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to chvet73, 03-14-2007 06:59:56  
How did you move that dead Bobcat? When my 863 isn't running, it absolutely will not move, the wheels are locked tight, even with park lock off.



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Sean Feeney 2

03-14-2007 10:26:35




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Txsprigger, 03-14-2007 08:05:55  
My 763 has a red pull knob in front of operators manual holder right side pull up releases hydraulic pressure so the unit will roll



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Rockyhawaii

03-13-2007 23:23:38




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
My experience with the Chinese stuff is that it works, but usually has a warning stating, "Not to be used when human safety is concerned." Scary. I have seen their winch cables break from corrosion on two occasions, after less than a year in the outdoors, with nowhere near the working load applied. Be sure to throw an old floormat or carpet over the cable when winching.



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MikeCatthemuseum

03-13-2007 22:04:32




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
My experience was the total opposite of Nolans. I wouldn't try to pull anything weighing 4 tons with this piece of junk in ANY case.

HF come-alongs are rated for pulling a wheeled load on a smooth, hard level surface... Betcha didn't know that. In other words, pull your truck across your garage floor, which you can easily push by hand.

I bought one to move a 6000lb radial drill off my trailer and around my shop. Didn't work out quite like I planned. Got the drill as far as the ramps before I had to rebuild the thing to working condition.

It lasted 30 minutes before the spot welds on the drum broke, the drum twisted in the frame and everything came to a grinding halt. I had to completely diassemble the works, weld the drum back together, weld up and bore out the wallowed hub holes, and straighten the sides of the drum. Now the circlip holding the pin in the hook on the body has fallen off. Real quality stuff there. The realistic rating is more like 2tons with the cable doubled. Maybe 1 without. Chinese stuff is just rediculously over-rated.

For pulling a 2500-3000 free-rolling car up on a trailer using long ramps, it works OK, but I certainly wouldn't subject it to any harder duty than that. I am especially skittish of come-alongs (primarily cheap crappy ones) now since a friend was killed using one last year.

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Nolan

03-14-2007 06:39:21




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 03-13-2007 22:04:32  
Was it perhaps the light weight 2-ton 30329? They look very similar, with the light weight one being, well, light weight.

This one isn't worth a shucks, whether you buy it from Harbor Freight, Sears, or any of the other places that sell this unit.



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MikeCatthemuseum

03-14-2007 15:59:26




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Nolan, 03-14-2007 06:39:21  
No, nolan, I was moving a 6000lb drill press. I would not have bought a 4000lb come along for this job intentionally. I bought the 4 ton model with the block for doubling pull. Total junk.

That is the exact problem with Chinese stuff. evrey twelveth one seems to be pretty good, but the other eleven are total crap. I guess it just depends on how good the fishhead soup is that particular day in slave labor camp #23. Some days they are motivated and some not.

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Stan in Oly, WA

03-13-2007 23:15:57




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 03-13-2007 22:04:32  
Hi Mike,

Would you describe how your friend was using the come-along and what happened that he was killed by it, if you have that information. I'm not a fan of morbid stories but I do use a come-along once in awhile, and I would be grateful for any information that might help me avoid having an accident with one. I'm sorry about your friend.

Thanks, Stan



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MikeCatthemuseum

03-14-2007 16:11:36




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 03-13-2007 23:15:57  
Stan, nobody is exactly sure what happened other than the fact the hook hit him in the head.

His name was Larry Koutz, out of Valdosta GA. He had some trees taken out of his front yard and was pulling some roots out. His wife came home to find him unconscious and bleeding severely from a head wound. He never regained consciousness and died about two days later. He was a very intelligent guy, Air Force F-4 driver and built and flew his homebuilt Q200 all over the nation. Hard to imagine somehting like that happening to a guy like him, but it did.

The problem with a come-along is that you are directly in line with the hook, cable, etc... any time you are operating it. As was mentioned above, throw something over the cable to slow it down if it cuts loose. I had never heard of this trick, but it makes perfect sense. I'm sure Larry would have had an old rug close on the cable had he heard this before. We might even still have Larry. I will certainly keep an old junk rug wrapped around the come along from now on.

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TimV

03-13-2007 18:29:45




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
Have a couple of them--one that I bought and one that was given to me because the ratchet lock was broken. Fixed that and have used it for several years. Nolan covered the main points, but I'll add a couple more--the cable doesn't like to wind level, the ratchet lock takes some getting used to and is a bit difficult to switch from wind to unwind, and it's a pain to pull out the cable due to the "level wind" problem mentioned above. However, both of mine have saved my back on many occasions, and if both of mine disappeared I'd buy another one.

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Nolan

03-13-2007 18:17:59




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 Re: HF Come-A-Long in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 03-13-2007 14:48:42  
I have that one. Had it for years. Tough as nails, and about the strongest come-a-long I've ever encountered. I've misused it for all kinds of things, and never had it fail.

It's not perfect though. The bearings are cheap. The cable tensioner likes to catch on the cable. And the ratcheting pawl likes to rotate and get out of position.

Wouldn't care to use it as my sole tie-down on a 4 ton item though. HF also sells good chain tensioners cheaply.

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