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OT: security safes..what is a good one.

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Midwest redneck

02-27-2007 14:41:15




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I need to buy a safe for documents, tax return stuff, several coins that have been given to my 6 year old son, wedding rings, bank statements, etc. I need something in the 4-8 cubic foot range. (I have small heavy gauge lockable sheet metal cabinet safe for guns but it doesnt have room inside for papers and stuff) What is a good brand? (the Sentry brand at Lowes and the Depot look cheap to me) I would like to keep the price down to the $400-600 range. I also dont like the electronic number pad, (what if the battery dies, then how would you open it)? Are there safes out there that are key only opening, with no combo lock. If you have an opinion please chime in here. Thanks. I know that Liberty and Fort knox are good but expensive.

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Kent in KC

03-01-2007 14:18:07




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
I have one of those small fire safes. My question is, if you have a fire, the plastic dial melts, then how do you open the safe?



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midwest redneck

03-01-2007 17:04:58




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Kent in KC, 03-01-2007 14:18:07  
That is a good point too. Thats why I think that only a all metal lock mechanism is the only true safe.



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Hal/WA

03-01-2007 00:06:06




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
One of the things you want to consider is weight. If a locked safe is light enough and not securely tied down, burglars will often remove it from a home so they can break into it at a location they feel safer in. Then you lose your important papers, even if they have no value to anyone except you.

My Dad scrounged an old fire safe from somewhere that has a key lock. After he died, I inherited it, and it was a real job moving it into my basement, as it weighs about 300-400lbs empty. I only keep semi-important papers in it--stuff that might be helpful if the IRS ever audits me. I keep the key attached to the safe and have a card taped to the door telling burglars to use the key to open the safe and see that there is nothing worth taking in there. Luckily, I have never had a burglary or house fire, but hopefully the old safe would work OK for either problem.

I rent a bank safe deposit box to store real valuables. And I believe that I have fairly effectively hidden most of the kinds of stuff that a burglar might steal. Other than a .22 rifle, a 12 gauge shotgun and a .38 revolver that I have out and ready to use quickly, I defy anyone to find the rest of my guns. There is very seldom much cash around my house, and the kinds of medications we have are not the kinds that usually get stolen.

I also have a couple 4 drawer file cabinets filled with file folders. There are items in there that might be worth taking, but it would take time to go through the large number of files to find them. I would doubt that a burglar would take the time to do this, and they would be pretty heavy to haul away.

If I had a burglary, I would expect the burglars to take my new TV and maybe some of the other electronics, and maybe the 3 firearms, if they happened to locate them. But for the most part, I am guessing they would consider my house pretty slim pickings!

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Mattlt

02-28-2007 06:32:29




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
Just a word of advice, don't place your safe directly on the basement floor. If you have a fire, and your local FD gets a little crazy with the water, you can have several inches (or feet!) of water on the basement floor in no time. Same goes for a broken pipe, backed up sewer, etc. Place the safe at least several inches off the floor. Two or three feet would be better.



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Midwest redneck

02-28-2007 14:19:10




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Mattlt, 02-28-2007 06:32:29  
I dont have a basement but I know what you mean. I have seen pictures of vaults in basements where a vault door is purchased to enclose a large walk-in-closet type of room. (I guess that is for the rich people who have coins, priceless art, guns and money to lock up). I have seen water in basements a foot deep, (sump pump isnt working)



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Chuck (VA)

02-28-2007 05:08:31




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
A fire safe has a seal that puts moisture in the safe during a fire to prevent paper from charring. A regular safe or gun safe uses a different seal and will not protect paper from charring. I have had excellant luck with Amesco safes. But any safe under 500 lbs needs to be bolted down or made so two people cannot pick it up and carry it off.
I have bought several from companies that sell/auction used restaurant equipment. They get the safes from stores that went out of business or were bought out.

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Stumpalump

02-27-2007 20:07:11




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
Can't get much in the way of a cheap safe but Home Depot sell Job Boxes for construction sites that are a pretty good bang for the buck as far as security goes. You can bolt them down to the floor or wall and you can get fire rock sheetrock or that concrete board stuff and line the inside and out side to make it fire proof. Allways put a fireproof box against an outside wall in you house or it will burn.

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ErnieDD

02-27-2007 18:23:16




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
There is a difference between a fire safe and a security safe. I took a fire safe, lag bolted to the cellar floor and built a wood form around it poured concrete around it. just let the door show. No one ever stole the safe! Sentry makes a good fire safe, the lock helps honest folk stay honest.



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135 Fan

02-27-2007 17:32:07




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
Someone at work had a safe that they couldn't get open. It had the electronic keypad. It might have been a Sentry. Anyway it was brought to the welding shop to get open. We could get any safe open. A cheap safe is a cheap safe! It was cut open with a cutting wheel on a 5 inch angle grinder! The metal was very thin and it had about 2 inches thick of fire proofing material that covered the whole shop in white dust. A fancy door doesn't help when you can cut the back off in minutes. Dave

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Midwest redneck

02-28-2007 02:15:31




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to 135 Fan, 02-27-2007 17:32:07  
Yep, a die grinder is good can opener too. Like the websites for safes say...."any safe can be opened if you have enough time and the right tools". My main reason for a safe is to protect papers and stuff and prevent the neighborhood punk from doing a smash and grab spree in my house and getting valuables. And the safe will be in a spot that will not be obvious to find. The best safe is one that has ground up carbide chunks and ball bearings in the door, sides, top and bottom and that way drill bits break while drilling into it and grinder wheels break down quick. Thanks for the info.

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135 Fan

02-28-2007 17:26:53




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-28-2007 02:15:31  
One of the shop teachers at school built his own safe and put a bunch of old files in the walls and doors. Chromium Carbide overlay is very hard to grind but expensive to do. An air-arc gouger would go through easily though. I think a safe that is heavier is a better choice as it would take longer and be a little harder to get into. Dave



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RayP(MI)

02-27-2007 15:32:17




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 Re: OT: security safes..what is a good one. in reply to Midwest redneck, 02-27-2007 14:41:15  
With regard to Sentry, battery is replaceable externally, so no problem there. I have had one on the same battery for several years - maybe I ought to replace it sometime! Had a Sentry with a plastic dial. The dial broke off at the shaft. Contacted Sentry, and they sent me a new safe (this one with an electronic lock.) I can't fault Sentry on their customer service. UPS, on the other hand, virtually destroyed the safe - had to have Sentry file a claim. Second safe came in in much better shape.

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