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what is a capcitor-crafstman generator

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larryinwa

02-27-2007 14:13:29




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posted couple days ago about generator that won't generate-flashing didn't work,jt said prolly the capcitor-went to parts breakdown on sears site and there is no capcitor shown,another name for it? rectifire the same thing?




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larryinwa

02-28-2007 14:58:54




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 Re: what is a capcitor-crafstman generator in reply to larryinwa, 02-27-2007 14:13:29  
thanks guys,friend of mine said he would take a look at it-he's worked on them before-said prolly an easy fix-gonna take him up on it,when it comes to electrical i'm a real putz. thanks again guys for your time.



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JT

02-28-2007 15:14:49




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 Re: what is a capcitor-crafstman generator in reply to larryinwa, 02-28-2007 14:58:54  
Larry, if your buddy does not get 'er done, email me the model number, I will look up what u need, and tell you how to fix it, ur problem sounds real simple. The I will explain to you how to properly flash a portable generator.
Jim



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Bob M

02-28-2007 07:13:25




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 Re: what is a capacitor-craftsman generator in reply to larryinwa, 02-27-2007 14:13:29  
There’s two basic types of small portable generators: Slip ring and brushless.

Slip ring type have slip rings and brushes, same as a car alternator. Exciting current is tapped from the main output winding, rectified to DC by a fixed rectifier and fed to the slip rings. Ordinarily no capacitor is used. If there is one is it’ll be small and provided only for radio interference (noise) suppression.

Brushless generators OTOH have no brushes (duh!). Instead there’s an auxiliary “exciter” winding provided on the rotor. Small rectifiers mounted to (and rotating with) the rotor are connected to exciter winding. A 2nd aux exciter winding is provided on the stator. This winding connected to a large capacitor (frequently 2 capacitors) similar to motor starting capacitors attached to the generator frame. These capacitors excite and regulate generator output. If they fail the generator will not work.

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Sounds like your's is the slip ring type. The instructions that came with mine (a Colemen slip ring type…) indicate the rotor can be flashed by removing the slip ring brush cover, then with the engine stopped momentarily applying 6 or 12 volts DC across the brush holders. Note: One brush should be marked “+” – be sure to connect the battery + to the + brush!

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If that doesn’t do it you’ve got a bigger problem involving the brushes, rectifiers or windings.

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JT

02-28-2007 06:14:22




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 Re: what is a capcitor-crafstman generator in reply to larryinwa, 02-27-2007 14:13:29  
Larry,
What model generator do you have? ALL generator have a capcitor/rectifier of some sort, and that is the problem 99% of the time. We worked on over 100 generators this winter and had to replace no brush sets, replaced a lot of rectifiers and capacitors. If you will post the model number, I will look it up, see what you need to fix it and a place to get it. Sears units have been made by Generac and DeWalt so far that I have found, there may be more.
Jim

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Bob

02-27-2007 19:48:14




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 Re: what is a capcitor-crafstman generator in reply to larryinwa, 02-27-2007 14:13:29  
An extra stator winding generates low-voltage AC current. Then it's rectified by a diode or two, and fed into the rotating field through the brushes and "slip rings". The capacitor, IF USED, is across the output of the diodes. It's purpose is to stabilize the field voltage, and reduce radio interferance. Your generator, if older, may NOT have a capacitor.

What is the history of the generator... was it working, then sat idle for a long time, then wouldn't "excite"? The "electric drill trick" SHOULD have brought it back, however, the fields can also be "flashed' with a 12-volt battery IF you can figure out which is the (+) bruch, and which is the (-) brush.

If you have a basic understanding of electronics, you can test the diode(s) with an Ohmmeter, then, if the diode(s) is OK, figure out which brush is which, and "flash the field" using a 12-Volt battery.

Can you post a photo of the endbell of the alternator, showing the brushes and diode(s)

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KEB

02-27-2007 19:12:05




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 Re: what is a capcitor-crafstman generator in reply to larryinwa, 02-27-2007 14:13:29  
Larry, no a rectifier is not the same thing as a capacitor. If you post the link to the parts page you were looking at I can take a look at it & maybe tell you where to start.

I'd suspect brushes before anything else. Self exciting generators typically use an inductor to limit field current, and inductors rarely go bad without emitting lots of nasty smelling smoke.

Keith



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