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How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars?

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F100Panel

02-17-2007 15:51:39




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Just got the wife a new mini van. I don't know why..... Old one ran/operated perfect. No rust, didn't need anything.... Only reason I can think of was it was getting hi in the miles/135K. My father was a car dealer in the late 60's/early 70's & the mentality then was at 100K miles "the vehicle had been around the world & its worn out" no matter how good it ran. Todays oils, todays metals, todays engineering I wonder if I'm living in the past? I've seen Hondas with 500K miles & still running. ( Volvo's seem to run till they just get too ugly to look at but even then they run like watches...) My question is.. At what point TODAY with TODAYS cars would you sell/trade a car just based on MILES if you knew it was well maintained & everything about it was working/sounding good but you had reliability concerns solely due to miles on the car? With that if you were buying a second car say as a daily driver & you put 50 miles a day on it going to work & back, at what mileage would you not consider buying a GOOD running/looking/operating car say in the $4k price range? I consider myself a fair tinkerer & other than my MAYBE too many miles concern maybe I shoulda kept that van?????

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Phil9N3667

02-19-2007 18:06:30




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
You guys are on the money about the electronic fuel injection and long commutes , etc. Tuesday will be 15 years we've had our 1991 Olds Silhouette van and it should trip 240,000 miles on Friday or Saturday. The most I've done to it is head gaskets (due to a broken head bolt), plug wires, plugs(second set) rotorbutton and cap at 187,000 miles . I've also put on two starters, one at 231,000 miles , and the other under warranty a year later, along with a few minor repairs including a fuel pump. It still has the O.E.M. exhaust system, transmission ,CV joints and lots of other parts. If it dies tomorrow, it doesn't owe me a dime! I'd love to find something else just as reliable. Hate to admit it, but it seems the like GM products do better than most others. Just my two cent's worth. Have a good week!

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Gary from Muleshoe

02-19-2007 13:30:41




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I currently am driving 1999 F-150 with 160,000 mile on it. It has standard 5 speed tranny, V-6 engine and it runs great. The only maintenance that i have had to do to it is new break pads, and an alternator. The paint is still in excellent conition other than the normal road dings. I would have to say in my experience with Fords I have had better performance from them than Chevys. My Dad always drove Fords and got at least 200,000 miles or more out them before engine problems started.

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davpal

02-19-2007 12:40:46




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Age kills modern cars much more than hi mileage. If you put 200,000 miles on in the first four years you will probably be fine. If you plan on spreading that out over the course of 15 years you will have a piece of junk. The electronics are not made good enough to have any longevity in harsh conditions. You need a different mindset when buying cars than we used to have. People used to have them for a long time and wrench on them. Now you need to get your money in driving out of them and let them get crushed and recycled. Just like a vcr or a microwave, toaster, wash machine, desktop computer, use them and get another and junk the old one. There aren't enough hours in the day to wrench on a modern car when they start giving problems. It is endless.

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Kent in KC

02-19-2007 12:11:44




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Biggest problem we have around here is meteors. You see lots of cars running around with craters in their hoods or big melted holes up top. Used to be, when I was a kid, them old heavy cars would deflect up to about a five hundred pounder, just give you a bounce, maybe scratch the finish a little. Nowadays, sheesh, try to absorb even a two or three hundred pound flaming interplanetary object without ruining you new foofy mobile!

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JT

02-19-2007 07:53:44




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Got a '92 lincoln that has unknown miles on it. They gut I bought if from and driven it all over creation with a broken odometer, shows 128,000. We have driven it don't know how many miles, runs good, uses a touch of oil, prolly got over 200K on it now and keeps on going. It was -19 at my house last week, fired right up. With the fuel injected engines, they will run for as long as you want to drive them, with proper service.

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Leland

02-18-2007 20:50:12




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Worked for a shuttle company that ran E-150 fords and with the poorest of maintaince some would go 6-700,000 miles before needing a new motor the 302's would just not die



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dave guest

02-18-2007 19:52:19




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Have 91 cadillac with 165K, Don't burn oil but right now new tire flat, lifetime radiator leaks, lifetime exhaust ise falling off' lifetime blower motor squealing, trans. leaking. Company for all the lifetime parts out of business. Too cold to crawl under.



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kyhayman

02-18-2007 16:48:15




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I like 250,000-300,000 miles and not over 15 years old. When they get to that point I usually start worrying about long trips in them (500 plus miles each way). For daily driving, I'll keep them beyond that until they get some high dollar repair (head, engine, transmission, etc).



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Matt Weltz

02-18-2007 14:51:58




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I"ve got a friend that has a "78 Chevy K-20 that has 675,000 plus mile on it. Engine or transmission has never been rebuilt. Just been well maintained. The "95 1500 my sister just got rid had 350,000 on it. Any vehicle will last forever if it is taken care of or doesn"t rust away first!



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Charles In (GA)

02-18-2007 09:21:09




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Indeed, cars driven long drives to work or on the road will last much longer than one driven a few miles around town.

I drive about 100 miles round trip to work each day, its a ten mile drive to the grocery store. I have a '91 Ranger, bought it in 2000 from an old man who no longer could drive, it had 18,000 actual miles on it. It now has about 220,000 and I am backing off on its daily use. Its had its share of maintenance but nothing exceptional, in part I've learned to throw certain parts at it before it needs them.

I have a '99 plymouth breeze, it has 115K on it now, had 45K when I bought it from a neighbor. His father had passed away and he had no need for the car. Its been very reliable, but I'm preparing to throw parts at it too.

This is all in contrast to a '67 falcon that has 308K on it and the first 200K of that was city mileage. Its had everything done to it many times over, valve jobs, alternators, brakes, clutches, you name it. Cars are much more reliable today, even if they seem more cheaply built.

At the moment, I consider 200K mi the point at which reliability seems to start to wane. It will run, but leaves you wondering what next?

Charles

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Fawteen

02-18-2007 04:03:40




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Didn't see anybody address one factor: What KIND of miles?

I live a mile from work, drive a 50 mile round trip to town maybe twice a month, and a 130 mile round trip to The Big City maybe two or three times a year. I've got an 89 Chevy truck I bought new that now has less than 65,000 miles on it.

My point is, if you live in circumstances where you put 30 or 40 K-miles a year on a vehicle, you're probably going to get more total miles out of it than I am at less than 10 K-miles a year.

I bet if you checked, you'd find that describes the folks that put 200K+ on their vehicles.

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F100Panel

02-18-2007 04:37:56




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to Fawteen, 02-18-2007 04:03:40  
True, I should have referenced Hiway miles. That min van I traded up from saw miniscule City driving. To that end it still had the original front struts ( Just had it aligned/everything checked & no issues...) & 1 replaced CV joint, the original cap wires & plugs. I'd bet that if I had kept watch for cracks in the CV boot I bet I could have just changed the boot.... Just good maintenace on scheduale & it ran out/looked FINE..... My current daily driver ( Suzuki Sidekick 4x4)has 140K on her. Don't use any oil between oil changes & I can't find anything wrong with it. I think I'll see how far I can get her to go before something major needs to be done.

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Badly Bent

02-18-2007 04:24:12




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to Fawteen, 02-18-2007 04:03:40  
I agree, Fawteen. If you make longer drives that are less stop and go in nature, you can easily put well over 200,000 on today's engines. Even the low mileage like yours should get into that zone as well. One of the things we continue to complain about is that they "don't make 'em like they used to". But my experience has been that they make 'em better, in terms of durability, than they used to. At least for everyday driving. I had a Nissan that had nearly 300,000 miles when I last saw it, and it still didn't use a drop of oil. I've heard countless stories like that from the newer engines.

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John A.

02-17-2007 22:37:16




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
F100, I have a 97 F-150,4x4, Supercab, Longbox W/ a 4.6 V8, Auto and PS,PB It has just under 325000 K miles on it. Oil changed every 3500 miles. So with good care yours should go a long way, Unless it proves to be a lemon. Later,
John A.



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IBorange in TX

02-17-2007 22:05:14




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I have a 84 Bronco II with 307,000 on it. Only problem was rebuild on transmission at 250k. Have a 93 Tarus w/365000 miles on it, just put gas in it and drive. Changed the oil on time each time. Now, use a 93 F350 Disel, w/165 miles, replace Injector pump at 90K, rear axle seal at 105K. Not bragging, just facts. I think its very important to change the fluids when scheduled and use good oil in all motors. If a person takes care of a motor respectively, it will give a good life of service. Don"t use any of the junk additives to the gas or oil, I never have. Wished I had one of those Model A"s that was mentioned. Good Luck..

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Dcop

02-17-2007 21:39:05




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I had 1996 Chevy s10 with a 4 banger. I bought with 20,000 miles on it. I Gave it to my son at 125,000 miles. He put about 50,000 on it before he wrecked it. Salvage company bought it and put a new front end on it and sold it. The guy that bought it is still driving it. I wish I had it back, one of the best trucks I ever owned. I have a full size Ford 4x4 with about 90,000 on it now. I except it to go at least 175,000 to 200,000 miles. I think it all depends on how well you take care of them.

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Mike M

02-17-2007 20:55:06




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I'm still seeing the troubles start around 100,000 MI. give or take. They are going to start need tinkering done or more. Some stuff you can do yourself and more and more the dealer can't even fix it right the first time. And boy O boy are the parts getting high priced ! Everything is part of a bigger more expensive assembly and not repairable. OEM parts are getting phased out faster than ever, though I still think they hold to that 7 year thing. Aftermarket may or may not start makeing key parts depending on high volume of sales or not.So you may or may not even be able to get some key parts much after 7 years.

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IRON MULE

02-17-2007 18:40:58




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
How old is your tractor? The only reason to get rid of a car or truck is because you feel like it; model a's still run if taken care of the only reason to trash them is because your young. But if you like it and keep it fixxed and work on it yourself, buy extra parts because they are a good deal than you should have it till the day your pushin' up daisys. I have a 1989 f-250 and a 1996 f-250 and a 1988 f-350 all are simailar for parts and how they run and are put together but all have differant jobs they can do all run great look good to o.k. and are paid for and the yearly tax is less on all three than you are paying for the new van but I'm a country boy and my hands are my living!

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Hobo,NC

02-17-2007 18:34:53




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
In the 60�s and 70�s I remember a lot of 100k mileage cars that the speed o wuz turned back to 10K and they were drove another 150K and the owners thought they were the best cars they ever had, and that�s a fact and I never meet a used care dealer that would not roll one back. It all depends on the type of car, how its drove and maintained.



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john d

02-17-2007 19:04:46




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to Hobo,NC, 02-17-2007 18:34:53  
You're right!

In 1969 I needed another car. I went to a local dealer with a good reputation, told them what I wanted, and what I was willing to spend. They said they had nothing that fit my needs at that price, but they'd call me when they did. Since I wasn't in a big hurry, that was fine with me.

About 3 weeks later, they called me to come in. They had a beautiful red '65 Pontiac Bonneville that was a stunner. It drove as good as it looked. I asked what they wanted, they told me, and said it was non-negotiable. I asked if they'd done anything to it since it came in the day before, and they said "We didn't even wash it. What you see is the way it came in." They gave me the name of the former owner, and told me to contact him if I had questions. I did, and he (Larry) said the car was fine. Larry ran a body shop.

I asked if the mileage (51,000) was actual, and the salesman said, "I won't lie to you. This is the fifth time we've sold that car. We sold it new to a salesman, when he traded it in, we took 30,000 miles off of it. The third time we sold it, we took off 20,000 or so. That guy rolled it, and put the roof down next to the seats. We got it as a wreck, and sold it to Larry; he fixed it as good as new for his wife to drive. The only reason he traded it was because she wanted one with air conditioning."

I swallowed hard, and bought the car. I put another 75,000 or so miles on it, and it was one of the best cars I ever owned. I traded it to a friend in a deal for his Cutlass. His wife drove it for at least three years. They sold it to someone else. In about 1980 I spotted it again for the last time. By then in probably had well over 225,000 miles on it.

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riverbend

02-17-2007 17:38:21




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I just bought a '95 G30 with 200,000 miles on it. The motor (V6) needed head gaskets. Cylinder #4 looks like it is leaking a little oil. It would take a quart at about 2000 miles between changes.

Rust is what kills them.



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Easy1

02-17-2007 17:26:26




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I just sold a full size blazer (94) with 245,000 miles. Never used any oil. The new owner has put on about 10,000 more in 6 months. I thought that was unusual, but a guy I work with has nearly 500,000 on a 85 suburban. But the body is rusted pretty good.



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Midwest redneck

02-17-2007 17:06:45




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
i had a 1997 Escort (had 131K miles) and I sold it for $700 to a car salesman. I regret selling it, ran good, no real problems, comfy, good MPG. I just bought a new 2007 Cobalt, GM backs it up with the 100K mile power train warranty. I think it should last at least 150K with nothing major happening to it.



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Steve Crum

02-17-2007 17:06:43




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
Biggest problem here in the northeast is rust. Drive line wise all but two of my vehicles has over 200,000 miles on the clocks. Port fuel injection has been the greatest improvement to engine life of anything.



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kurt:ky

02-17-2007 16:26:36




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
My Dodge truck was a theft recovered vehicle with 80,000 when I bought it now has 233,000 on it now, still going.Wifes Ford was a theft and crashed vehicle with a salvage title, bought it put back together looks nice mechanicaly great, had 90,000 when we bought it, now has 150,000 mile on it and would go to California tonight in it if I wanted to.Kids Ford, bought it at 98,000 miles has 260,000 miles on it still going

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Marc in VA

02-17-2007 16:22:01




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
I believe today's cars will typically go at least 200,000 miles without any major problems. However, with anything, there will be wide variations. In other words, your mileage may vary.
Good luck with your new van!
Marc



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john d

02-17-2007 16:02:36




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to F100Panel, 02-17-2007 15:51:39  
If you get a good vehicle and treat it right, todays cars and light trucks last a long time. My wife's traveling about 55 miles a day in a 2000 Chevy Impala with 145000 miles on it. It runs well, gives no trouble, and when we take it on a trip we've often gotten over 30mpg.

I'm driving a '96 Chevy Lumana with 177000 miles that I will not get rid of until something breaks that costs too much to consider fixing.

A neighbor of mine traded in a Toyota pickup truck last summer that had 350000 miles on it, and was running fine.

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Gene Davis (GA)

02-17-2007 17:29:17




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to john d, 02-17-2007 16:02:36  
We have a 93 fully equipped Chevrolet Suburban with 238,000 miles. Put plugs,wires,dist cap and rotor on it this past week. This was the second set of plugs since new. Did change valve cover gaskets also. It had a transmission overhaul at 120,000 because the doctor I got it from pulled a king sized camper with it. Aiming for 300-350,000 before trading it off.



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Jerrycpp

02-17-2007 17:38:07




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 02-17-2007 17:29:17  
My 1988 Mazda B-2200 Pickup just turned over 270,000 miles. A new fuel pump at 100,000 miles, and just put on the first water pump and alternator. Absolute reliability, and a steady 23 mpg.



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alg

02-17-2007 17:43:39




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to Jerrycpp, 02-17-2007 17:38:07  
1998 Ford Contour 4 cyl.5 speed.250,000 miles.And still running strong.



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thejdman01

02-18-2007 08:33:34




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 Re: How many RELIABLE Miles in TODAYS cars? in reply to alg, 02-17-2007 17:43:39  
As w/everything, its use (or abuse)(highway vs city), and good maintenace. The problem w/todays cars, they may work and run loger, but may infact cost mroe to maintain because I dont know about you but I cant really work on my 2007 duramax(w/the complex computer system, no scanner, no wiring diagram etc) it makes it very hard for the average joe to work on his car and fix it. Give me an old 350, and ill get home, w/new cars when that computer shuts her down your down.

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