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Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding

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Glenn FitzGeral

02-16-2007 10:27:04




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A few years back I got the bug to build a "cabin" for my kids. As most projects go, it ended up being a bigger building than I had originally planned. It's 14'x14' with 8' side walls and a pretty strong pitched roof with about 7.5' at the peak for an upstairs. It has a 6' roof covered porch running across the front. For being built with all scrounged lumber, it turned out really nice! It is a 2x4 frame building sitting up on blocks. I have phone&electricity (60 amps) out there. Building will be insulated. Someday I may use it as a guest room, etc. The heat will be shut off when the building is not in use. How would you suggest I heat this building. I live in Green Bay , WI, so winters are cold. I do not want a wood stove.

I appreciate your thoughts. Glenn F.

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circus

02-18-2007 13:19:01




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 On sale at Fleet NTXT in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
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circus

02-17-2007 15:32:16




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
Vented gas wall furnace. I saw a nice one at Fleet Farm. Used ones are everywhere but check for cracks.



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BillyinStoughton

02-17-2007 06:42:06




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
While it is true what the guys are saying about a heat pump in lower weather...it"s not that they "quit working". Their thermal efficiency does decline...but we are only talking about a 14x14 room here. They have PTAC heat pumps in Green Bay...and they have em" all the way up in Ashland for that matter. While some do have secondary electric heat strips in them, a lot of them don"t...even here in the Great North.

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huntingreen

02-17-2007 19:45:38




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to BillyinStoughton, 02-17-2007 06:42:06  
If you go the PTAC route check the brand you buy out real well> I know there are some out there with problems.



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TGIN

02-17-2007 05:41:06




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
I think elec. baseboard would be good because of no flame around the kids and can be left on low unsupervised without much worry . If your like me you`ll keep it above frezing in there . If you want the air con. the hotel unit is the way to go .



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dave guest

02-17-2007 04:53:19




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
Been a while, but all motel units I have worked on also have electric heating coils built it. Heat pumps from what I remember don't hardly work below 32 degrees. What is purpose of building? Kids playhouse or poker games? Here we would probably use kerosene heater. If it acts up, kick it out the door, don't sleep with it.



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MikeCatthemusuem

02-16-2007 21:09:49




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
Just my $.02, but a heat pump in Green Bay is going to starve to death... AIN'T NO HEAT TO PUMP! Seriously, a heat pump gives it up about freezing. That's about September through June in Green Bay.



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Jim K

02-16-2007 16:30:15




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
If you want a cheap install cost, go with a 8' or 10' length of electric base board. You already have the power available and you'l only need a 20amp 2-pole breaker Be sure to insulate well. I have one ten footer that I heat three rooms with. (ranch style house) although I don't recomend it.
My primary heat is wood.
Just take into account the price of electricity in your area.
Jim K



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Kentucky Ed

02-16-2007 15:44:08




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
I bought a Fedders air/heat window unit from WalMart online a couple of years ago, and it heats/cools the insulated area of my shop very well. Cost is very low, and it doesn"t use much electricity either. Only problem I have had is when it gets below zero outside, the unit at it"s lowest setting still heats my shop to 70 degrees.



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Doug in Illinois

02-16-2007 15:29:52




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
I understand the desire not to burn wood, but for the occasional use in winter, have you considered a corn burner? No creosote problem, and good units are cool enough to touch without any possibility of burning yourself or catching anything on fire. A cafe/tavern back in Nebraska where I grew up has been using 2 to heat their very large 125 year old limestone block building on all but the very coldest days. They sell and use what used to be called the Snowflame, not sure what the brand is called now as I think they changed the name. It is a very even, constant flow of heat. The big problem now is the price of corn is finally up instead of being dirt cheap like it was for too long. Just my input on this. Doug

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BillyinStoughton

02-16-2007 13:21:56




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
Rusty is on the right track with that one. I would use a hotel unit (it's actually called a PTAC unit...meaning "package terminal air conditioner"). They are available in heat pump models that both heat and cool. Some are also available with electric heat strips mounted inside for supplemental heat...but for a 14x14 building a straight heat pump model would work fine for you.

I work for an HVAC wholesaler and live just a little bit south of you. I may be able to come up with a used or slightly damaged unit that would suit your tastes.

Feel free to drop me an email.

Billy

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old

02-16-2007 11:50:38




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
I agree with Rusty on this one a heat/AC unit works well for that type of building. Shoot look how many motels use them because they can be shut off easy and when you don't need it you just turn it off when you need it turn it on plus you have the AC to boot



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RustyFarmall

02-16-2007 11:28:37




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
Just a thought, but I've been told that Motels/Hotels replace those combination heat/cooling wall mounted units on a regular basis. You might check with some local HVAC contractors and see what's avaliable.



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highlandcowman

02-16-2007 10:36:50




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 02-16-2007 10:27:04  
i would use electric baseboard about 15 watts per square foot or about 3000 watts or an electric wall unit with a blower cold air vents cut in the upstair floor to keep air moving doug



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Dennis in NC

02-16-2007 11:04:09




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 Re: Heating a 14'x14' Outbuilding in reply to highlandcowman, 02-16-2007 10:36:50  
I WOULD USE A THERMASTAT GAS UNIT , MOUNTED ON THE WALL .THEY DONT TAKE UP MUCH ROOM . YOU COULD HAVE A TANK THAT YOU COULD PUT IN A PICKUP TO BE FILLED . THATS WHAT I HAVE IN MY 24FT CAMPER AND IT HEATS THE WHOLE THING .



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