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beperson83

02-15-2007 10:02:42




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Im looking for a cheap used welder. It has to be a 110. I dont care if its wire feed or stick. But I just want something cheap.




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soundguy

02-17-2007 22:28:09




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
Walmart.. 89$ 70a stick welder 110v

HF, 99$ 90a stick welder, 110v.

You will need a 20a plug for the walmart job... I got one.. works fine with 1/16 and 5/64 rod and 3/16 inch metal.. 1/4 is ok with some v-cut and extra passes. I've even done 3/8 with quite a bit of time and ectra passes and lots of v cutting...

Soundguy



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'52 Farmall H

02-15-2007 19:34:57




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
I'm no expert, but I have two welders and both run off of 120 volts and I have found them to be just fine for what I'm doing. One is a Lincoln SP-135P wirefeed welder, and the other is a Miller Maxstar 150 STL. Both are good machines, the Lincoln has 135 amps and the Miller 150. The Lincoln is only good for sheet metal and light plate. You can do about 1/8" think in one pass from my experience. I bought this welder for sheet metal so I'm not disappointed.
The Miller can do stick and TIG welding. I have run 5/32" 6011 rods on it and it seemed to do very well. I'm going to try 3/16" next. Now, the Miller can hook up to both 230 and 120, and it can't run these big electrodes on 120, but it still puts out 100 amps on 120.
As for price, the 120 volt MIG welders are reasonable. Figure about $530 for the top of the line, and about $300 to 400 for a lesser model. My Maxstar inverter is quite a bit more expensive if you buy it new (approx. $900-1200), but I found it used on e-bay for much the same price as the Lincoln. It can be difficult to locate a good 120 volt welder used. I find one of the best places to buy welders and accessories (new and used) is on e-bay, you can also find less featured models new in the home improvement stores.
The classic Lincoln 225 amp AC welder with 230 volt input is very easy to find used on e-bay and very reasonably priced. You can even find them still unopened in the box after years of sitting. You may find it cheaper to wire up for 230 volt and buy the AC-225 then to buy a 120 volt welder. But you might need the portability of the 120 volt.

I agree with the rest, unless you only have to make a few junk welds once in a blue moon, buy from Lincoln, Miller, Hobart, and ESAB. They won't let you down. The other machines will discourage you from welding if you aren't pretty good at it.


Hope this helps,

'52 Farmall H

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Arizona Bob

02-15-2007 19:06:35




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
I thought I was doing pretty good with my little factory refurb 110 Weld Pak. Handles 1/4 inch without any problem at all. But after reading all these posts maybe I"d better go get something a bit more powerful for the occasional job.

Bob



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RusselAZ

02-15-2007 18:58:46




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
Check out pawn shops in medium size towns. You may find a 110 stick welder worth buying to try. Most of them in a pawn shop are there because the "other" owner didn't know anything about welding. 110 volt stick welders can do nice work within their limitations. The real problem you will find is getting the small size rod for them.

110 volt wire welders do nice work in both gas shielded or flux cored wire. Used ones will most likely have problems that the previous owner inflicted on them.

Check out a wire feed brand "Thermal Arc". They and their parent company have web sites.

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dave guest

02-15-2007 18:33:12




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
Any 220volt. Unless jewelry or craft type stuff. Try someones welder if you can before you buy, if you know what type of welding you will be doing. 110 pro bably barely does sheet metal.



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sjh

02-15-2007 18:03:21




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
If you have 110 then you have 220 single phase. I believe it is called a double pole. Look in your box. If you have a electric hot water heater it is the same thing. I recommend a 220 welder.



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MikeCatthemuseum

02-15-2007 17:39:21




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
A Miller Dynasty will run on 110 at reduced amperage. It's not cheap, but man, what a welder!

If you can somehow get 220 single phase to your shop it will open your capabilities tremendously. 110V welders are suitable for tacking and light sheet metal work only. A $300 220 buzz box can handle everything but 3/4" plate, and it'll do that if you are patient enough to make multiple passes.



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jmixigo

02-15-2007 17:32:56




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
Too many limitations. Good, cheap, 110v welders are like Banks having a sale on $100 bills-few an far between. I found an old copper wound Lincoln "tombstone" for $75. Gotta have 220.



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Stan in Oly, WA

02-16-2007 22:18:56




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 Re: Welder in reply to jmixigo, 02-15-2007 17:32:56  
A couple of years ago I went to Lincoln Electric's website and asked when they had stopped using copper for the transformer windings in their tombstone welders (I used the model number as well as the descriptive name.) The technical advisor/historian who responded told me that Lincoln had never used copper windings in that style of welder. They work like they've got something special going for them, but apparently it's not that.

Stan

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Stan in Oly, WA

02-15-2007 16:53:59




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
My experience is that if you're an expert at welding you might be able to get the job done with a cheap welder. You'll hate it, but you can do it. If you're not an expert you'll hate it and do terrible work, too. The worst thing about cheap welders is that they're so hard to use.

The 110 requirement is a serious limitation. The companies that produce real welders---Lincoln, Miller, Hobart, ESAB---make low amp wire feed welders, generally flux core only, that run on 110V. Cheap they ain't, though. Harbor Freight sells a version of that kind of welder but I think you'd be ahead to just buy one of their hammers and hit yourself with it until you got tired of that. You'd save over $100 that way.

At Christmas I bought a HF 80A inverter stick welder that runs on 110. With a coupon it cost me $100. It won't run 1/8" rods or even 3/32" 7018, but it works okay with 3/32" 6011, 6013, and 7014. I suspect it would run 3/32" 6010 okay too, but I didn't have any. It's a lot harder to strike and hold an arc with this welder than with any quality name brand welder I've used, but I can weld with it. However, see paragraph 1 above. I've probably spent more hours welding than just about anyone who doesn't do it for a living. I'm not too bad at it.

All the best, Stan

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Greg_Ky

02-15-2007 16:39:45




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
110 stick welder. Just buy a package of Bazooka bubble gum it will hold more and look better.



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135 Fan

02-15-2007 15:55:12




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 Re: Welder in reply to beperson83, 02-15-2007 10:02:42  
Cheap in cost or cheap in quality? You can't have both. Dave



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135 Fan

02-15-2007 16:00:37




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 Re: Welder in reply to 135 Fan, 02-15-2007 15:55:12  
Actually you can have both but you will be wasting your money. I didn't word it right the first time. Buy a name brand like Lincoln or Miller or Hobart, etc. Dave



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