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bar oiler on Stihl chain saws

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cbinwisc

02-14-2007 14:46:21

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What do I need to do to keep the bar oil flowing to the bars and chains on my two Stihl chain saws.
I am using the winter grade bar oil. But when I shut down the saws for gas, I will still have half a tank of bar oil left. Is this something I can fix
or does a dealer need to do it? I've tried to find information on the net, but haven't been lucky so far.

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RodInNS

02-16-2007 22:11:05

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

I'd say there's a problem with the oiler. If you've got it turned up all the way, and it's not putting out oil as fast as gas, something's wrong. I don't work on them to know what's wrong, but something is wrong.... Mabey a filter in the tank, mabey the pump. Mabey dirt. Dunno. I've got a good Stihl dealer close by, and it doesn't pay me to work on the stuff.... it goes to the dealer.

Rod

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jdemaris

02-15-2007 18:52:10

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

I'm going to ask you a stupid question. I was a Stihl mechanic from the 1960s up to around 1991. Up to then, all the Stihl saws had adjustable oilers. Did they stop putting them in? All mine have the adjuster - but mine are older (040, S10, 08S, 041 Super, 045 Super, 075 Lightning, etc.). If I'm using junk waste oil I usually turn the oiler full up - and that way - I always run out of oil before gas. But, when turned down - it'll run out of gas first. If Stihl does leave out the adjusters now, they've really gotten cheap.

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cbinwisc

02-16-2007 10:26:42

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to jdemaris, 02-15-2007 18:52:10

I have two saws, both newer, a 180 and a 066. The 180 does not have a adjustment screw on it and the 066 does. I also talked with Stihl Corp.
and they said that due to EPA regulations all the newer saws have restricted bar oil flow
to about a half tank of oil to a tank of gas.
I took the saw (180) into a SERVICE dealer and they told that there is a screen in the oil tank that may be plugged. The tech. rep from Stihl also told me that the drive wire for the pump may not be engaged in the sprocket. Hope this answers some questions and thank you everybody for the replys.

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farmer boy 2

02-15-2007 15:08:07

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

We have 2 Stihl saws( 45cc,76cc) and they both run out of oil at the same time as gas and they're supposed to do this (as far as Stihl goes).If it's not I would check for a clogged filter and if that doesn't work adjust oil flow till they match up.

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DitchWI

02-15-2007 13:35:34

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

Stihl chain saws are supposed to ran a tank of oil to a tank of gas, you are right on that. Next time you run out of oil or if you want to drain it- fill with gas and shake it up, dump out gas repeat. Fill with oil again and it should work fine. If not try the adjustment screw.

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woodache

02-15-2007 08:15:42

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I have Stihl saws and Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

I have Stihl saws and I always check the flow after filling the tank by putting the end of the blade while running near to a new cut off piece of wood rev it a bit if you see splash on the wood its good enough. Thin saw blade oil in the winter cold with ATF if still to cold use a little gas. But just enough for flow, the gas will evaporate as soon as it hits the blade. I have had the same saws for the last 25 years and cut on average 10 cords a year.

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Ih2444

02-15-2007 11:54:05

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Re: I have Stihl saws and Re: bar oiler on Stihl c in reply to woodache, 02-15-2007 08:15:42

I agree, if it isn't slinging some oil it is not oiling enough.
Thanks for the ATF tip, I will try it.

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TGIN

02-15-2007 04:24:50

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

If your chain has streched and your bar is extended all the way out somtimes the oil hole in the bar can go past the oil hole in the saw , I had that happen . You can thin your oil with thinner oil . I try for a tank of oil to a tank of gas . Take the bar and chain off and see if the oil runs good then go from there .

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IH2444

02-14-2007 18:54:15

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

I have the same issue with all my saws. They only put out about 1/2 as much oil when it is cold.
You can keep the bar oil where it is warm. that will help.
Has anyone tried thinning bar oil with a thinner oil? For cold weather use.

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in sticks

02-14-2007 18:39:31

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

isn't there a filter in the oil tank? similar to the one in gas tank,might be plugged?

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nballen

02-14-2007 17:50:47

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

I don't do a lot of cutting, but I have NEVER used a full tank of bar oil with a full tank of gas (Poulan, PoulanPro, Echo, Dayton, Homelite, and Stihl).

I imagine if you are careful, you could tear down the saw / oil tank and look for any obvious problems - plugged filter, split tube or line, plugged orifice, etc. If you can, take pictures to help with re-assembly.

I was taught to always fill the gas and bar oil together - figgured that the gas was supposed to run out before the bar oil, so that you wouldn't burn up the bar.

Good Luck!

Nathaniel

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Lou

02-15-2007 11:22:18

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to nballen, 02-14-2007 17:50:47

I agree , Jonsered and Huskies, both run out of gas befor oil. I always thought it was normal>

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supergrumpy

02-14-2007 16:40:21

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

you probably already tried this but:

run a small screwdriver or dull knife blade along the bar groove and get all that fine sawdust out, also make sure the little oil hole to the bar is open

I plugged my oil pump intake up by not being careful about sawdust getting into the oil tank when I refilled, screen on oil intake tube keeps big stuff out and real fine stuff will pump thru but the middle sized stuff clogs the oil flow thru the pump, now I clean the oil cap area with old paintbrush and wipe down the underside of the cap at every fill

as a last resort on real cold days, thin the oil with some kerosene

both of my little 180's run 2 tanks of gas to 1 tank of oil with Stilh oil

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IH2444

02-14-2007 16:17:26

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

So the general consesus seems to be you just get less oil in the winter, but the bar is so good it does not matter ?

Sound like a sales job to me.

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02-14-2007 15:19:34

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to cbinwisc, 02-14-2007 14:46:21

Are you burning up any chains or bars? You did not mention that. If you are not burning up any bars or chains, then do not be concerned about the amount of bar oil you have left. Stihl saws are very oil efficient, what you are seeing is very common on Stihl. They design their own bars and chains to run with a small amount of oil compared to every other manufacturer. You will not find any info on the net, Stihl is very secretive about what they want you as a consumer to know about their saws, they want you to go back to the dealer and spend a ton of money to get it fixed. If you are having problems with burnt bars and chains, are you using Stihl bar oil? Now if the edge of the bar is all blue, do not think you burnt a bar, they are heat treated and you will see that the blueing form the heat treating on the bar. I used to sell them things and this is what the Stihl reps used to tell me about their saws.

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cbinwisc

02-14-2007 15:51:40

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to JT, 02-14-2007 15:19:34

Burning up the bars,and as a blacksmith when I see the temper colors forming on the bar then I am losing the heat treatment of the bar. My 066
does have the adjustment screw and I have it wide open and yes, I have used nothing but Stihl bar
oil in both saws

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Big Mike

02-14-2007 15:30:55

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Re: bar oiler on Stihl chain saws in reply to JT, 02-14-2007 15:19:34

Isn't there an Oil Adjustment screw on the newer ones? I thought the rule of thumb was 1 tank of oil per tank of Fuel. Of corse like you said, if he isn't having any burning problems, then he is probobly ok.

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