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trouble turning tapered pins

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riverbend

02-04-2007 19:31:42




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I'm trying to turn some small tapered pins on my lathe and they come out barrel shaped no matter how light of a cut I take or how slow I go. The pins are 2" long and taper from 0.107" to 0.105".

Any ideas ?

Thanks

Greg




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Butch(OH)

02-06-2007 17:17:52




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-04-2007 19:31:42  
What are you using for material? Some of the hardware store rod is just plain terrible to work with. I have a catch of machinable 1/4" (cant remember the exact grade but I think it is Stressproof. It has made easy several projects that would have been hair pullers with lessor steel. The tips about sharp tooling, high speed and light cuts are right on along with carefull attention to tool height.

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DADDY E

02-05-2007 19:38:59




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-04-2007 19:31:42  
High speed tool bit, lots of pos.rake and using tail stock. As others have said- 2000 rpm,very Sharp tool [honed after sharpening on grinder]
I have had good results by using a piece of copper or lead at least 2-3lbs.. Hold it about 15-20 degrees past top of pin you are turning [far side from tool bit]. This will give you the centre support needed so the pin won't flex [just enough weight to ease the cutting pressure of the tool] Also with a pin that small you will need to use very light pressure from your tail stock. You will have to try one or two to get the right feel but it will work. Regards.....Eldon from Ont.

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Coloken

02-05-2007 12:16:54




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-04-2007 19:31:42  
Place a steady rest about center, then leave the main carrrage alone. Set the compound for a horizontal cut and use it to do the cutting.

Better yet, find a centerless grinder.

Some CB radio antennas were tapered. I have cut pieces from them in the past. But not big enough for what you want.



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MikeCatthemusuem

02-05-2007 13:41:42




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to Coloken, 02-05-2007 12:16:54  
Never seen a steady that would go down under 1/8". Centerless grinding would be a good idea, but again, this is REALLY little and tapered. If it wasn't tapered, it's actually pretty easy.



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MikeCatthemuseum

02-04-2007 20:59:30




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-04-2007 19:31:42  
Not surprizing, that's a really long skinny piece of metal to be turning. Assuming you are using a chuck and tailstock center, it is turning true on each end and the bulge in the center is due to the material flexing away from the tool in the center. Due to the taper, you can't even use a follow rest. This is a real beast of a piece to make.

First off, how fast will your lathe go? If it won't do over 2000rpms, you are going to have a real tough time, even with a HSS cutter. Next, do you have a cutter ground with a serious chipbreaker and positive rake? This cutter needs to be RAZOR sharp, in fact you should probably hone it to a razor edge so it requires less pressure to cut.

Best thing here would be to grind it. Even an adapter to just hold a Dremel grinder on the toolpist might work. Put in a fairly large rock, crank it wide open, slow the lathe way down and cut the feed back. It'll be slow, but should work.

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Vern-MI

02-05-2007 05:04:30




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 02-04-2007 20:59:30  
Wow, that is only 0.001" per side over a 2" length. Better not have any runout on the Dremel mounted grindstone.



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MikeCatthemusuem

02-05-2007 17:05:14




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to Vern-MI, 02-05-2007 05:04:30  
Yeah, it'l still be easier than trying to actually turn this part with a tool bit. This is pretty deep territory for a homeshop type.

I have turned a part down around .095 and 1" long for my dad's Marlin .22 firing pin. You really have to just breathe on it and run the lathe jast as fast as you can, hoping it doesn't hop up on top of the tool, as Davis mentions. I scrapped three of them before finally getting it made.

BTW, how is the taper being cut? taper attach? tailstock offset? Compound?

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riverbend

02-05-2007 19:12:36




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to MikeCatthemusuem, 02-05-2007 17:05:14  
Tailstock offset.

I have ruined a few pins. I'll try spinning them faster, but 2000 rpm is well beyond what my lathe will do.

I'm using a round nose tool. How steep would you go on the back rake ? Would it help to use a smaller tip radius ? It does take a light touch.

If that doesn't work, I might try grinding.

Thanks for your advice

Greg



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DADDY E

02-07-2007 11:59:28




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-05-2007 19:12:36  
Hi Greg
Yes you need a very small rad on your tool [1/32 max]. What you need is as little cutting pressure as possible. The cutting pressure is what is making your pin bend away from the tool in the middle of the pin where there is the least amount of support between head and tail stock. Thats why I suggested you use a copper or lead block on back upper side of the part being turned to cancel this cutting pressure. You may have to finish it off by useing a fine single cut file [still with max rpm you have]. What kind of mat. are you using, if it's 01, should be strong enough to do. If mild steel it is pretty soft for that dia. but you can do it.
I think you would have difficulty grinding it because you would have vibration problems, thats why I suggested using a file to finish it off and perhaps some emery cloth for final finish.
Let us know how you make out... Eldon from Ont.

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riverbend

02-09-2007 17:13:45




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to DADDY E, 02-07-2007 11:59:28  
Well, I got close enough. I was using hot rolled rod from the hardware store. The zinc plated stuff was hopeless. More back rake, a tiny radius and light cuts were the trick. I did not have any soft metal to lay up against the pin, so there was still a little bow, but it went from small to large diameter without dropping back.

I'm trying measure the inside diameter of needle jets in Amal Concentric carbs on a Norton Commando. After I put in new needle jets, one side ran like it was too lean. As it turns out it was almost an entire size (0.0154" vs 0.106") smaller.

Now that I have gotten this close, I might try to make a pin that is a smooth taper and see what sizes I really have.

Thanks for the help

Greg

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Davis In SC

02-04-2007 20:57:08




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-04-2007 19:31:42  
2 inches long and .107 diameter? I am amazed that the parts are not bending, climbimg up on the tool and breaking, unless you are using a center on the tail end. I suspect that "Climb" is the culprit...



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Gerald J.

02-04-2007 19:45:05




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 Re: trouble turning tapered pins in reply to riverbend, 02-04-2007 19:31:42  
Be sure your tool cutting point is exactly on center. If its a little low or high it will make that barrel shape.

Gerald J.



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