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Hondas and knock-offs

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Rod in Smiths F

02-01-2007 14:40:58




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Someone had mentioned low-end Honda motors on this board, but I hadn't seen one until a recent visit to Princess Auto in Kingston. The 5hp cheapie runs about $320 CDN. Beside it is the better line of Hondas, the ones with the cylinder on a slant. They cost quite a bit more.

The knock-off 5.5 I have grown to love is a copy of the better motor, and from the appearance of both I'll bet it will outperform the cheapie, though it sold for less than half the price.

The same trip I bought a 6.5 Tecumseh lawn mower engine, on sale for $88. CDN. Thought I'd bolt it to an old chassis, but the second drive shaft may interfere with that. I may have to find a self-propelled mower with a blown engine.

A couple of things about the Tecumseh startled me. The first was that the engine will not turn over when I pull the cord gently. Seems it's shipped without oil, but this one won't move at all. The second thing has to do with the label and its codes. According to the EPA the life expectancy of this engine is 125 hours. That's it. No wonder the thing was in a remainder bin.

I look forward to finding a use for the engine -- a welcome change from a solid year of making sawdust.

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Vern-MI

02-02-2007 03:56:41




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-01-2007 14:40:58  
The Tec engines are trial run at the factory using only a oil mist setup through the oil fill pipe. Many engines sieze during this test.



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railhead

02-01-2007 18:38:14




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-01-2007 14:40:58  
Yeah I saw a generator with an engine taht was identical to a Honda (did not SAY Honda but looked like it)...but it was NOT HONDA. even the NAPA man that is selling these tells his customers they are not real Honda. They do start first pull and seem to run great.

When I was in the USMC in Korea in the late 80's we could buy for $10 Rebok tennis shoes that were IDENTICAL to the ones we could buy for 70-80 in the States and they wore for a long time like the originals. We knew they were fake but for 10 bucks???

Not saying the engines are as quality as Honda but anything can be faked, copied, counterfeited. Some may be cost effective.


.....didn't even mention the "Rolex" I bought in NYC for 20 bucks that has sweeping second hand like a real one..... ..

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traper

02-01-2007 18:16:24




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-01-2007 14:40:58  
Dose that engine have a flywheel brake you will have to relace it for it to turn over.When checking oil on that engine aways wipe off stick then check level, when sitting oil migrates up stick giving a false reading.



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135 Fan

02-01-2007 16:48:43




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-01-2007 14:40:58  
I think the 125 hour rating is only for passing emmissions tests and not engine life. I have a Tecumseh and it mentioned it in the manual. According to the maker of the pump I have, the Tecumseh will outlast a Honda if the oil is changed regularly. It's a $2000 floating pump so it's not a cheap one by any means. Dave



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Kanuck

02-01-2007 16:37:21




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-01-2007 14:40:58  
If 125 hours is all you can expect from this motor a guy would have to be a bit choosey as what and when its going to be used. All kidding aside, it used to be when you saw something with honda power it meant decent quality at a high price but nowadays who knows? Anyways good luck and have a good one eh?



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

02-01-2007 18:25:47




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Kanuck, 02-01-2007 16:37:21  
It's the Tecumseh that has the short life expectancy, not the Honda or the knock-off. While the new Tecumseh won't even turn over, the knock-off started on the second pull and then sat there idling on the bench while my friend stared at it, open-mouthed. It runs my snowblower much better than the original 5 hp ever did, and is quieter in the bargain.



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JT

02-01-2007 14:53:21




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 Re: Hondas and knock-offs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 02-01-2007 14:40:58  
A lot of the 'cheapie" Honda look a like engines are made in China and are not the best quality you will see out there. they are cheap, but you are not getting much. The parts can be scarce to get, we had a McCulloch generator engine we were trying to get parts for took a month and a half to get a cylinder head.



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