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farmerbill13

01-24-2007 18:14:46




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Just got done hooking up the radiant heat system in my new shop and those chinese pipe fittings are giving me fits!! Use pipe dope and tighten till it won't go anymore and the dang things still leak.Plumber friend says he has the same problem,the things are junk, but you can't find any made in the USA.Seems to me the angle of the taper is off.Any of you run into this problem?




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dave guest

01-25-2007 16:01:41




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
This is planned obsolensce of the USA and the american worker. Did you ever have to work with inferior parts and poorly designed machinery? Remember? Think of these poor chinese and slave labor conditions, too. When our country has the guts to close borders(if ever)and stop political payola, maybe something will improve. Might cost a little more for the quality though.



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jeffcat

01-25-2007 10:21:04




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Another train of ideas here. At work a new kitchen was installed and the contractor was all ready to use chin--k gate valves on water and gas lines. The boss walked up with real full flow brass ball valves and told them to put THESE in. No body said a word!



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lenray

01-25-2007 10:12:19




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
That China stuff is junk.



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Bill in Colo

01-25-2007 08:58:15




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
If you have a oilfield supply house locally you can still buy U S made fittings for 1/2 price of local hardware store price and they will be 1000 psi or higher rated.



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the tractor vet

01-25-2007 06:33:47




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Like 99% of the junk that they send us that we just keep on buying there junk in the name of BIG COMPANY PROFIT , Grade 5 imported bolts that are junk softer then what a real grade 2 usa bolt were wood screws that snap off going into pine junk electronic stuff and we just keep on buying it and they ship it in by the boat loads as our jobs leave . Ya know it is bad when a junk ryobi drill can twist off a #12 wood screw going into pine on a predrilled hole now were are not talken just one screw here i am talken about a whole batch like the whole box of them are junk and do they care no they got your money it now become your problem . A few years back i needed some 5/8 ths. inch bolt for a job that i was working on went to TSC bought 4 5 1/2 x5/8ths. what they called grade 8 for a bale spear on a ft. loader to hole the spear on the frame with one 800-1000 lb bale on the spear two of the bolt broke while they were loading the bales on a truck with the bale just missen one guy on the ground one 5/8th bolt should have been enough to hold one bale . As for pipe fitting one farmer used them on hyd.s and yes i know that he should have used heavier fitting but he here again went to TSC and got 1/2 pipe fittings and the fitting failed at the threads as it was tisuepaper thin on one side not like the good old usa made fitting of days gone by as how many old loader were plumed with regular PIPE fitting and when ya screwed them together with a littel pipe dope ya did not need a 6 foot cheater bar and three guys doing chin up on it to stop the leak. But we want it cheap and we want it now and the only one smiling is the corprate ex. with the profit he is maken with out having to put up with unions and the epa and taxes .

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farmerbill13

01-25-2007 13:08:05




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to the tractor vet, 01-25-2007 06:33:47  
I would buy US made if I could find them,the cheap stuff costs you more in the long run.All the real hardware stores around me are gone thanks to wally world and cheapo depot.



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the tractor vet

01-25-2007 16:21:12




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-25-2007 13:08:05  
I know the feeling as at one time in this small town you could find buy anything ya could have even needed now ya have to leave town and buy elsewhere . The one place in town that has quality stuff does not want to deal with small guys they just want the big companys . I use to get all may nuts and bolts and fittings from them but the KIDS took over and did not want to do Small accounts and shut the doors to the walk in trade so i was forced to deal with someone that did not mind taken the 12-1800 a year in nuts and bolts and misc. that i needed to operate . As for pipe fittings for hyd. i use high pressure fittings made by ANVEL ( spelling ) and get them from and oil and gas suppy house near by.

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Dannie

01-25-2007 02:41:18




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Only thing the new pipe fittings are good for, is making a clothes rack or to extend a muffer on an old mower.



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dan hill

01-25-2007 01:50:55




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Many new pipe fittings have pin holes that leak.Its not poor soldering or threading.Wipe them dry and watch the water come thru the side of the fitting.



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Garry in OK

01-24-2007 21:31:40




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  

We have fits trying to thread the Mexico and Korea black pipe. Can"t put a clean, consistent thread on it. You tend to blame the threader, then someone brings in a chunk of pipe that"s been in the ground longer than we"ve been getting pipe from those places and the same machine with the same dies puts out a perfect set of threads every time. That stuff sure has a big stencil stating the U.S. specs it supposedly meets, though.

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Steve Crum

01-24-2007 21:31:14




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Isn't any wonder that Ward manufacturing over in Blossburg Pa. may be laying people off. They've made the best pipe fittings available for close to one hundred years. But for the sake of saving 50 cents on a pipe fitting, I suppose American made quality isn't important. You only need to do the job over until you get it right. (and save 50 cents).



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US Made

01-25-2007 08:35:55




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to Steve Crum, 01-24-2007 21:31:14  
If the employees at Wards would take significant pay cuts, reduced benefits, no pensions and allow automation, then we could all afford their American products. The employees hold all of the answers, they just need to act. I feel bad for all of the poor folks who want to use good high quality american goods but are forced to buy the cheper imported parts because of greedy US employees.



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Stan in Oly, WA

01-25-2007 09:53:08




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to US Made, 01-25-2007 08:35:55  
I hope that's meant as irony because if it's not it's truly vile.



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Steve Crum

01-25-2007 08:50:19




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to US Made, 01-25-2007 08:35:55  
Don't forget about the 10 million dollar a year CEOs and greedy stockholders that demand $3 for every dollar they have invested. Ain't America great? You buy my burger and I'll buy your fries, we find another to supply the drink and we can build another "service sector" empire using dirt cheap minimum wage labor or even cheaper yet 'imported labor'.



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Us Made

01-25-2007 09:52:45




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to Steve Crum, 01-25-2007 08:50:19  
My reply was tongue in cheek but, I agree whole heartedly with you!! The whole system management, investors, employees, legal, special interest groups (environmental,etc...) and goverment (taxes, regulations). Have conspired to price our products out reach. I don't have any answers but, there is plenty of blame to go around!



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RustyFarmall

01-25-2007 12:23:50




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to Us Made, 01-25-2007 09:52:45  
Please, don't ever blame the employees. The management at the factory where I used to work slipped up one time and told us that even if we all agreed to work totally free, they still wouldn't be able to compete with China, and the factory where I worked is owned by a Japanese company.



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Nat 2

01-26-2007 09:36:02




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-25-2007 12:23:50  
Are these the same employees who go to work every day to make "fine 'merican products," then stop off at Wally World on their way home to buy a cartload of Chinese junk? Employees ARE to blame, to a degree.

Call me nuts, but I think it's going to come around, sooner than you might think. Chinese working for what would be considered slave wages in our country are creating a true middle class over in China. They're creating a demand for the very same consumer products they manufacture. There will be a point at which a critical mass is reached, and suddenly, China will not be able to meet its own demand let alone ours! Prices will suddenly start to go up, and it will no longer be profitable for US corporations to have products made in China and shipped over here.

On a related note, people bemoan the CEOs getting these huge salaries... Yes, it's in poor taste considering the state of our economy, but taking that money and using it to keep people employed really won't achieve anything. $1 million cash will keep maybe 15 workers on the payrolls for a year when you take benefits into account and an average salary of $40,000. Companies are laying off thousands of people. 15 is a spit in the ocean.

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Bill in NorthCentral Pa

01-25-2007 05:41:13




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to Steve Crum, 01-24-2007 21:31:14  
Steve, Wards are down to three days a week for production guys - I drive past the factories (3) twice a day on weekdays. They still make great fittings, but the Chinese parts are cheaper. For as much as time and agravation are worth, I buy the Wards fittings when I can.



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Steve Crum

01-25-2007 06:17:09




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to Bill in NorthCentral Pa, 01-25-2007 05:41:13  
I put the air distribution systems in the main shop and plasma shop this past summer. I would have perfered to use copper, but the price of that was out of my reach so I went with 3/4" black iron and did all my own fitting. For the fittings, I couldn't get half what I needed locally, so I ordered most everything from McMaster-Carr and these were a mixed bag of Ward and import. The pipe I ordered in new from Tarco and it was import. As stated in these posts, this stuff doesn't thread good at all even with new Ridgid dies and liberal amounts of cutting oil.
The guys at EPSCO sold me a jar of Hercules brand "Grrip" pipe sealant, PennDot could use this to patch potholes and be way ahead. After I pressured everything up, I sprayed all the joints with "Snoop" and so far...so good.

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Bill in NorthCentral Pa

01-25-2007 05:42:12




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to Bill in NorthCentral Pa, 01-25-2007 05:41:13  
Site for Wards

http://www.wardmfg.com/



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PAGlenn

01-24-2007 19:42:55




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Iam sold on the pex fittings with the plastic
piping. The crimper tool was expensive at 90.00./
But it is an easy install for my water pipe
needs. No mess of dealing with the solder,flux, and flame.



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bcPA

01-27-2007 23:10:23




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to PAGlenn, 01-24-2007 19:42:55  
I like pex also. There are a few different types of crimp on over the outside of pipe system. The one I wanted let you use 1 tool to do all the different sizes with 1 tool. But the crimp on ends were about 4 times as much as the ones built like heavy copper wedding rings. Fittings are a little pricy for my taste but over all I perfere pex.



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Stumpalump

01-25-2007 07:08:22




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to PAGlenn, 01-24-2007 19:42:55  
I heard the same thing about pex.



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jeffcat

01-24-2007 19:34:48




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
I think it is Rector seal. Very gooey stuff. Jeffcat



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Davis In SC

01-24-2007 18:42:46




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Yes, and if you keep tightening them, they sometimes crack or split. Just another example of cheap junk from China. Recently we were working on a project that needed a fair number of pipe fittings.. Everything we could find was from China or Mexico.. A darn shame, that you cannot even buy any decent stuff anymore. As far as pipe dope goes, the best results I have had is a Loctite Pipe Sealant, I forget the # but it comes in a squeeze plastic tube.. not cheap, but it will help seal the crummy fittings that we are forced to buy..

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old

01-24-2007 18:34:12




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 Re: Cheap pipe fittings in reply to farmerbill13, 01-24-2007 18:14:46  
Yep, seen it more then once. I use silicone gasket sealer/maker on them. Let it sit for a few hours then let the water go at it thing. So far it has worked good for me but one of these days I'm sure it will not



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