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Idealarc TM-500

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Tim B from MA

01-17-2007 09:24:19




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I am going to look at a used Lincoln Ideal Arc machine tonight - owner was a bit confused as to whether it was a TM-500 or TM-400. Said it was hooked up to operate single phase, 240 volts.

He gave me what he said was the serial number

AC-364446

I see on the Lincoln web site you can learn alot about a machine if you have the Type No. P-No. etc; I was not smart enough to ask for those last night. I did not see any place to look up anything using serial numbers.

Anyone know the Lincoln site well or any other site where I can find out about the machine using the serial no.

Also, anyone familiar with the TM-500 or -400, wheather it is in fact single phase, will home 220-230 volt service be sufficient, wheather it is suitable for home/garage use (welding mainly in the 3/16 to 1/2 inch thick range, sometimes thinner, sometimes thicker) or is it too much machine, etc.?

Thanks.

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Tim B from MA

01-19-2007 09:14:12




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 Re: Idealarc TM-500 in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-17-2007 09:24:19  
I might have been interested in the TM-500 based on the price ($300, might have gotten it for even less) and I think it is such a high quality old machine it would weld nicely at the bottom of it's power range (50 amps), the biggest problem was it's physical size.

It has the foot print of a large refrigorator, and is about 4.5 feet tall. The other issue is that it does not have the original face plate - it has a face plate from a TM-400, thus the slight confusion. So, I suspect it would make it more difficult in the event that parts were needed.

Thanks again for your replies gents. I am most interested in, and am on the look out for an Ideal arc 225 AC/DC machine in my area.

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135 Fan

01-17-2007 16:17:00




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 Re: Idealarc TM-500 in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-17-2007 09:24:19  
Yes, Lincoln made Idealarc TM 500 welders as well as 300 and 400 amp. They had some at the school I went to. They were AC or AC-DC as stated. They are a good heavy duty welder but are single phase. I think they were made so you could burn large rods on AC so you didn't get arc blow. The biggest concern I would have is how much power they use. They might use a lot more than a residential service provides. On some machines you can get power factor capacitors to lower input power. They are available for Idealarc 250's but not sure if available for TM series. On a conventional machine AC current can only be produced on single phase which uses a lot more power than a 3 phase or an inverter. They are also a fairly big machine. If I remember you could burn smaller rods as well. Check out what minimum amps are. On the Lincoln site look up TM 500 and parts and service manuals should come up. There is probably a lot of different codes but the machines will all be very similar. It might be more machine than you need. Like Stan mentioned an Idealarc 250 is an excellent machine. Lincoln also made an Idealarc TIG 300 which was a top of the line TIG and stick welder in their day. Check with an electrician before you buy it. Hope this helps. Dave

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Tim B from MA

01-17-2007 13:30:38




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 Re: Idealarc TM-500 in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-17-2007 09:24:19  
Hi gents,

Thanks for your thoughts. After posting I was able to get some info on the TM series - they made AC only and AC/DC machines in TM-300, 400, 500 and 650 sizes (actually expressed as e.g., TM 500/500 which I assume is the AC/DC rating)

What the guy said about the size was "tag says TM-500, but I don't know if it is right because this is the same as my other one, which is a TM-400" - he has has two for some time, he got them from a ship yard.

Unless I get some hard evidence otehrwise, I have to assume the tag is right and he is selling a 500 amp machine.


I am confident it is a single phase machine, but ..... My main concern is that it is a big machine and will not weld thinner materials well as Stan cautioned. Lauren, do you have experience with a TM-500 welding thinner material?

He will let me use it at his home before buying.

It is not a MIG, it is a Stick that can be set up for TIG.

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Stan in Oly, WA

01-17-2007 13:04:24




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 Re: Idealarc TM-500 in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-17-2007 09:24:19  
Hi Tim,

The TM-400/500 part doesn't sound right at all. Lincoln's website doesn't return anything in a product search using either of those numbers. There were no TM prefixes.

The Idealarc is a great welder. The basic stick unit is an AC/DC machine running 40 to 300 amps. It is Lincoln's most powerful single phase stick welder. Lincoln does make plenty of 3-phase stick welders with designations of 400, 500, 600, etc. They weigh almost 500 lbs and up, though, so they're not portable by anybody's definition.

Chances are you'll never have any reason to bring 3 phase to your home shop so there's probably no advantage to owning a 3 phase machine which is modified to run on single phase. Sort of the same with having far more power than you'll ever need. A machine that is built to put out 400 or 500 amps might or might not have the capacity to hold a smooth arc at the output levels you're far more likely to be using, like 100 to 200 amps.

My advice is to not be too impressed by features that mean nothing to you. You're better off spending your money on a welder that has the quality built in where you need it. A single phase Idealarc is such a machine, and a R3R-400 or R3R-500 isn't.

Good luck, Stan

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Glardon

01-17-2007 11:32:59




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 Re: Idealarc TM-500 in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-17-2007 09:24:19  
I am a welder mechanic and Lincoln Electric does not use the serial number to track machines, they use a "code" number. This number will tell me, for example, everything I need to know about the machine and well as Lincoln Electric. This 'code' number will be located below the serial number on either the front or back of the unit. I have never run across a welder with that particular model number. This is not to say they did not manufacture one because they have made thousands and thousands of different machines. One way to look up your model, is to go to the Lincoln Electric web site, and in the search window, type "Parts Navigator." The link you need should be the first one on the list, click on that. Once Parts Navigator loads, what will come up is a bunch of links to find where your individual code number fits between. For example if your code number is 15, click on the bar that says 1-800. Once that screen loads, scroll down to find your code number. What follows is a link to either a parts break down or owners manual as long as the machine is not too old. The owners manual is indicated with an "IM___". If the IM manual is still available that should be able to tell you about the machines voltage, output ratings etc, and if in fact this machine is actually a MIG machine.
If you have any questions I would be more than happy to answer them. If there is a delay in my response, please be patient.

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lauren lamb

01-17-2007 11:16:09




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 Re: Idealarc TM-500 in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-17-2007 09:24:19  
It will tell you on the machine if its a three phase or single.....It is a good machine . will burn any size rod you want to weld with..I think it will be a strat A C machine 60 amp breakers i would guess.Have fun L A



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