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Bob Farrell

01-15-2007 08:19:04




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In the "restoration - removing paint/grease" tip of the day the author refers to a "Needle Scaler". What is a needle scaler and what do they cost?? Thanks.




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Bob Farrell

01-17-2007 11:31:17




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
Thought I would thank everyone for all the input and let you know that I ordered a scaler, a replacement needle set, and a cheapo air hammer set with chisels. If the replacement set will fit the new hammer I'll have two scalers. I needed the impact hammer anyway. Thanks. bob



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Bus Driver

01-15-2007 17:06:35




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
I like the straight line much better than the pistol grip.



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Bud in NC

01-15-2007 16:25:43




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
Another good use for a needle scaler is peening welds for stress relief. It makes a bunch of little dints and inhibits the start of cracking.



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Bob Farrell

01-15-2007 10:02:45




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
Thanks for the replys. Don't know where I have been - but had never heard of one. I went to Northern Tool and they have a pistol grip type for $39 plus S&H of $9.25. However it is out of stock. Looked in my Harbor Freight book and they have one that is straight line (no pistol) for $60.00 plus $9.00. Strokes per minute and needle count are the same.
Which type is the most handy to use - pistol or straight??? Thanks again.

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MikeCatthemuseum

01-15-2007 17:17:55




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 10:02:45  
I use the straight type, an IR (I got the musuem to buy it, so no HF this time!). Nothing againt the pistol grip, just never had one around. Since there is very little effort in the way of operator pressure, the straight one works great.

One other thing to be careful of... use a short stinger hose instead of putting a quick connect fitting directly on the scaler. The vibrations will cause the fitting to break off after a while, leaving you dodging a wildly whipping 3/8" air hose. Ask me how I know.

In addition to Stan's idea, the replica 1930s Hughes air racer built a few years back used a needle scaler to replicate forged parts. They CNCed the parts out of billet aluminum and then ran over them with a scaler to give the parts a forged look. Very convincing. Sadly that gorgeous airplane became scrap metal and did in it's pilot/builder on the way home from Oshkosh a couple of years back.

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Stan in Oly, WA

01-15-2007 16:48:40




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 10:02:45  
Hi Bob,

I have no experience with the pistol grip type. I've used the straight type for more than an hour at a time on several occasions and had no problem with that configuration.

I made a series of steel turtles and tortoises with shells about 20" in diameter with swirls of wire feed bead to represent the patterning on the shells. Even using 75% argon/25% CO2 shielding gas there was too much spatter and the beads had a rough look. An hour or two (per shell) of leaning into the metal with a needle scaler removed the spatter entirely as well as softening both the contour and the finish of the metal swirls. I felt like I'd stumbled onto an extremely useful technique.

The first time I ever saw a needle scaler in action it was being used to remove slag from stick welding welds. Nothing but a grinder does a better job, and a grinder produces a completely different result. If you used a scaler for nothing except slag removal it would still be worth owning one.

All the best, Stan

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TimV

01-15-2007 11:25:05




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 10:02:45  
I've got the pistol grip one. Note that the "replacement assembly" that I referenced below from Northern Tool (though I got mine from Harbor Freight, and it's identical) is actually made to go on an air hammer, and you can use most any standard air hammer for this. Buying the full assembly just means you get an air hammer along with the scaler attachment. You take off the spring that holds the chisel, screw on the "replacement assembly", and secure it with a couple of set screws. I use mine enough that I keep it on a cheapie air hammer all the time, but you can mount and dismount it in less than a minute if you only have one air hammer.

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RustyFarmall

01-15-2007 10:14:05




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 10:02:45  
Mine is the pistol grip. No experience with the other style.



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MikeCatthemuseum

01-15-2007 09:47:33




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
These guys are right on, a needle scaler is a fantastic way to clean off metal. It's basically an air hammer with a set of 18 or so hardened steel needles, 3/16" in diam or so sticking out the front end.

I have stripped several machine tools with a needle scaler. It faster than you would think.

The advantages of it over a sand blaster are that it is faster than the typical tiny home shop blast rig (a scaler will take a 2" wide swath as fast as you can push it), it doesn't leave 300lbs of sand all over the place, and it doesn't drive sand into the workings of mechanical parts. It doesn't require a huge amount of air to run, either. A scaler seems to work just as well or better at 60lbs than it does at 125 of pressure.

Words of warning. Keep it off polished or surfaces you want to leave slick (machine ways, chrome plating, etc) and I wouldn't use it on thin metal. It'll flow it just like beating it with a hammer. Last thing... Get some earplugs. It's about a cross between a jack hammer and an unmuffled chainsaw in the noise department.

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RustyFarmall

01-15-2007 09:53:12




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 01-15-2007 09:47:33  
A big AMEN to the hearing protection.

For what it's worth, I did try it briefly on the sheet metal, didn't appear to do any damage, but niether did it have much effect on the old paint. A Wagner heat gun and a long handled scraper did the trick on the sheet metal.



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TimV

01-15-2007 09:10:02




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
Bob: Once you get one, you'll find they're indispensable. Even a cheapie like Northern's 157631 (which hooks directly onto most air hammers) is the cat's meow for removing scale, old paint, caked-on grease, and even things like dried-on concrete. I recently used mine to break up 10 years worth of gunk stuck in the bottom of a freebie stainless steel shop-vac. I also used it to clean the barrel of a mortar mixer that someone had let a full load of mortar harden in. It was one of the best $20 investments I've ever made.

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Bob

01-15-2007 08:51:11




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob Farrell, 01-15-2007 08:19:04  
Go the the "Northern Tool" website and have a look:



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RustyFarmall

01-15-2007 09:02:20




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to Bob, 01-15-2007 08:51:11  
I've got one of the less expensive models, although I think I found mine at Harbor Freight. I've got an M Farmall that actually had about 20 layers of paint. The needle scaler is the only thing I found that was successful in removing all that old paint. One of the best investments I ever made.



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rad

01-15-2007 19:48:07




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-15-2007 09:02:20  
I bought the cheapest air chisel set I could from Harbor Freight and a needle scaler adapter that fit it. Was into the whole thing for less than $30. Worked exceedingly well to clean up rims and wheel weights on an old Farmall Cub that had fluid filled tires that leaked years before. There are however three things: 1) you need a large volume of air in the order of 8-10CFM at 90PSI, 2) hearing protection (these babies are loud!, and 3) a good dust mask. I don"t know what was in all the layers of rust, scale and paint, but I sure as heck didn;t want to inhale it.

Good luck. A needle scaler and a sand blaster are a restorer"s friend.

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ldj1002

01-17-2007 08:44:51




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 Re: Needle Scaler in reply to rad, 01-15-2007 19:48:07  
My local harbor Freight doesn't have the needle scaler replacement in stock. can get from internet sales only. They said it wasn't to be used with an air hammer. Am I looking at the right item, or are they not understanding what I am asking?



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