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OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box

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Joe MD

01-13-2007 10:17:05




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I am using 5 "handy boxes" on their sides with EMT conduit for outlets in a shop.

Do I have to pigtail a ground to the metal boxes? I see that the outlet ground makes a metal to metal contact with the metal box.

If I should run a pigtail ground, what the heck size screw should I use on the box. This type of box does not come with a ground screw and I just don"t see a bag of "ground screws" at the big box store electric aisle.

Thanks in advance.

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Joe MD

01-14-2007 08:06:04




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to Joe MD, 01-13-2007 10:17:05  
Thank you everybody. I will do it right.



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MarkB_MI

01-14-2007 05:13:03




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to Joe MD, 01-13-2007 10:17:05  
There's no such thing as too good of a ground. A good ground ensures that the breaker will be faulted if there's a short circuit. I don't think you're required to run a separate ground wire to the box, but I always do. That way the outlets are grounded even if you take the cover completely off the box.

Home Depot carries the grounding screws, just look for a package of green hex-head self-tapping screws. Although you can use bare wire, I like to use green just to reduce the chance of a short in the box.

I also run a separate green ground wire between all of my boxes. That way I still have a good ground even if a conduit connecter comes loose.

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John T

01-14-2007 08:00:00




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2007 05:13:03  
Mark, Good info I always enjoy your sparky postings, and I sure agree "Theres no such thing as too good a ground" It gets even more crowded in the box when isolated ground receptacles are used. There the metallic box needs grounded PLUS that seperate dedicated equipment ground for the isolated ground receptacle TALK ABOUT BOX CROWDING.

Like you (if I understood your post as you intended) I liked the grounding pigtail screwed into the box serving as its own dedicated equipment ground plus, of course, the receptacles ground screw for its equipment ground terminal. The receptacle, if properly and well secured mounted into the box, is grounded by its own ground wire PLUS gets another bond in contact with the box metal, but even if its pulled out for service, the box remains gronded by that pigatil mentioned above

I figure thats a WIN WIN situation to comply with the code and stay as safe as possible.....

John T Longgggg retired sparky EE

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Bus Driver

01-14-2007 05:58:55




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2007 05:13:03  
Mark posted: "I don't think you're required to run a separate ground wire to the box, but I always do." As the first response in this thread, I already noted that it IS required. NEC 2005 Article 250.148(B) and (C).



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John T

01-13-2007 21:14:14




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to Joe MD, 01-13-2007 10:17:05  
Joe, You can buy those lil made up green pigtail ground wires with a short length of green insulated wire and a screw already in place..... ..... ..

YES those metallic handy boxes/switch n receptacle outlet boxes MUST BE GROUNDED/BONDED to the equipment grounding conductor.

The receptacle has its own grounding screw/terminal but the metallic box needs also to be grounded cuz what it the receptacle was loose or was not bonded to the box?????

Another method Ive seen used for grounding is the lil greenie wire twist nuts that are hollow open in the tip end so an extra long length of an equipment grounding conductor can pass through and then be attached elsewhere.

John T (Long retired and a tad code rusty EE)

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Charles (in GA)

01-13-2007 15:47:51




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to Joe MD, 01-13-2007 10:17:05  
If you look in the big box stores, where the packs of wirenuts and such are, you will find green ground screws and green clips also (clip over the edge of a metal box and hold a ground wire) Code says the ground screw cannot be a sheet metal screw, and may not be used for any other purpose in the box.

Equipment grounding screws must be green and hex headed (250.126)

If these are surface mounted metal boxes, NEC 250.146(A) says that a bonding jumper is not needed from the receptacle to the box, so long as you remove at least one of the insulating washer/screw retainers on the yoke of the receptacle, and of course, attach a ground conductor wire to the ground screw on the receptacle.

Charles

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Bus Driver

01-13-2007 13:43:22




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 Re: OT - Pigtail Ground to Metal Box in reply to Joe MD, 01-13-2007 10:17:05  
That box has a hole in the back that is tapped 10-32 for the ground. Most of the grounding leads will be equipped with such screws, probably tinted green. The grounding of the box must be so that the removal of any device installed in the box will not interrupt the grounding. Screws used to physically mount the box may not be used for grounding.



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