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OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters

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Ken B.

01-10-2007 18:29:07




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Has anyone used one and what what Brand . Also last year there was a $300 tax credit is that still in effect?




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JoeK(WI)

01-11-2007 21:05:24




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
Couple points...ground temp of water CAN make a real difference.These heaters can only impart so many BTUs into the water as it flows thru,usually like 50-60 degree rise over ambient.Therefore in northern climates where winter groundwater temps can be in the 40s,you are only going to be able to achieve a 90-100 degree max output and the more pressure(ie:volume)you require,the less time the water has to absorb heat while passing thru the unit.So if you need hi-volume,hi-temp supply they are probably not the way to go. I had an entensive talk with the plumber awhile back when my ancient heater died so I feel somewhat educated on this matter.According to him(he installs all types)a modern electric unit,like an 80gal,is about the best way to go.The new units are very well insulated and approach 100% efficiency in real world use.If more volume is needed,for lotza showers/laundry/kids,he stated he would put in 2 80s in series,with the 1st one preheating the water to like 80,before it is fed to the 2nd unit set at wanted temp.As you normally are only getting about 1/2 capacity off one unit due to the bottom incoming cold water,series would provide you nearly 3 times the hot water on demand and main unit would recover much quicker due to preheated input....
Just something to consider.

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don t-9n180179

01-11-2007 10:43:23




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
Installed a Bosch Aquastar in Aug 06. Don't remember the model, but it was the smaller of the 2 available. Its just me and the better half, didn't think we needed the bigger model. Plus the cost of the bigger was amost double. We hadda buy a power vent for it, which almost made it the cost of the larger unit. It was a pain to install for a non-plumber person(me). It works fine once the water is hot but at some faucets, it takes awhile to get there. Besides needing a new one, we also needed the space in the utility room. I'd do it again, but I'd get the bigger/more capacity model vs. the one we got. HTH.....good luck.....don t. .....

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Tim B from MA

01-11-2007 10:06:36




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
I think it is different than what you are talking about but when we bought our house it had a tankless water heater incorporated into the oil-fired boiler. It might have worked well when it was new, but when we moved in, it never produced enough hot water fast enough to fill a tub (it was about 14 years old at the time).

Now we have a 70 gal tank heated by the boiler as a seperate forced hot water zone.

If I were starting from scratch I would look into the in-line type of electric on-demand water heaters that they use in hotels. Basically part of the plumbing in the walls, just before the faucet. Supposed to be very efficient (no loss of heat from pipes between when the hot water is used, and when it is used the next time - no waiting for hot water to reach the faucet) and you don't need to run separate hot-water lines through the house. Just right before the faucets.

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Gumby

01-11-2007 08:22:39




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
Try this site for info. The Takaki units might be something to look at.

http://www.tanklesswaterheaters.com/tanklessfaq.html



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Salser

01-11-2007 07:23:05




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
We have a Bosch Aquastar 240FX installed in our inlaw apartment/office. I don't have any complaints about it. It seems to work well for our needs. I would say that they are a great product for a house or cabin that gets used sporadically. Otherwise I suspect that you might be better off just buying a high quality and very well insulated conventional water heater. That said, conventional gas water heaters are fairly pricey, at least compared to even a well insulated conventional electric water heater.

We have also used a Bosch Aquastar unit in our horse boarding barn where we have a need for highly variable amounts of warm water for the horse wash stalls. Again, in that use it has worked well.

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jdemaris

01-11-2007 06:41:40




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
The $300 federal tax credit is still good until the end of 2007. For a hot-water heater to qualify, it must have an engery factor of .80 or higher.
I almost bought one - but then said the heck with it. Waste of money, even with the credit.

It does not take a lot engergy to keep a tank of water hot - if it's well insulated. And, a coventional tank heater is cheap, easy to get parts for, and easy to fix.

Tankless? High cost to buy, high cost to fix, high cost to install (gas or electric) and parts, when needed, are often not in stock locally. They do NOT last forever as Paul Harvey states - I've fixed many. The one big advantage to a tankless - is if you are going to install it at a remote location from where the main water heater is - or was, and hot water use is not high. Many houses need the gas-plumbing redone just to feed enough gas to run a tankless. Also needs its own venting system. If electric - even a small spot heater needs a large, usually 220VAC circuit dedicated to it. Also, most tank heaters do not warm water to a predetermined temperature - they work on temperature rise. If your house runs on cold spring or deep-well water that is very cold - the tankless heater will have to be a huge one to get good flow at a high temp. That is, unless you install a pre-tank that lets the water reach room temperature first.

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1945 A

01-11-2007 05:50:08




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to Ken B. , 01-10-2007 18:29:07  
I can"t speak for the gas units, but I have an electric tankless water heater, made by Stiebel Eltron (German made, I think) in my small cabin.
So far, I love it---works great, makes plenty of hot water for our purposes. I"d think the gas units would do as well.
Good Luck!



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504-1

01-12-2007 21:02:08




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 Re: OT/Gas Tankless Water Heaters in reply to 1945 A, 01-11-2007 05:50:08  
Ken, Buy one that has a variable gas valve(I didn`t) not a variable water valve. My Bosch works fine for the two of us but do not try to use both showers at the same time(no teenagers)



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