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need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe

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Donaldinky

01-08-2007 23:33:47




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I got my granddads old shepard Lathe I going to put a 2 Hp 3 Ph motor and used a E-Trac inverter i just needing to know what top Rpm should i set it up for and use the inverter to slow it down. It was org. set up for a line shaft Thanks Donald




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wdTom

01-17-2007 18:26:26




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
I must agree on the 400 rpm top speed. I have a reprint of a Lodge and Shipley catalog form about 1925 and not one lathe ran over 450 rpm. From 12" to 48", they all had a top speed of around that. Times were slower and so were the machines, run yours slow and enjoy it. It wil do a lot of good work, far better to be slow than fast.



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MikeCatthemuseum

01-09-2007 23:14:44




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
An early conehead lathe with room for a 12" chuck is going to burn the spindle bearings up if you listen to anybody who says run it at 1500rpm. I have a 1918 L&S that has a top speed of 375rpms. This is typical of a machine of this size and age. The L&S 14" would run only about 400rpm. You might be able to fudge it to 500 for limited high speed runs, but you'll overheat the bearings REALLY fast if you don't watch it. I'd set it up for NO MORE than 500rpm and less if you can.

Most of these machines were designed to run on 900-1100rpm motors, so you will have to do some reduction unless you can get one this slow. Running a VFD to slow the motor down can cook the motor if you try to go too low as the fan isn't running fast enough to deal with the heat. Beware trying to use that on a regular basis.

One problem is a lack of pressurized oiling to the bearings. Another is bearing diameter, they are just too large to run that fast. The countershaft bearings are probably not set up to handle a motor running much over 1100rpms, so you might fry that. Lastly, you stand a good chance of turning a 90yr old 12" chuck into a 150lb hand grenade running it at anywhere near 1500rpms. They were never made to run that fast and can very possibly sling apart due to rotational forces.

So what good is a lathe with a top speed of 375rpm? Torque multiplication is a wonderful thing. Lowest speed is probably 12-15rpm. Slow enouh to really turn and cut a 12" diameter or even larger part. You can take 1/4-3/8" deep cuts using cheap High Speed tool bits all day long if the work is heavy enough to resist flexing. You can easily work down to 3/4" diam or so before it gets too slow for a good finish in steel. You can work smaller stuff, but due to the low speed, it's going to take some filing and polishing to get it slick.

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Gerald J.

01-09-2007 09:30:59




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
You probably want a spindle speed range of about 30 rpm for large work to 1000 or 1500 RPM for small work (under a quarter inch). You can get the low end of the range with the back gear. And for some threading it works better to put a crank on the back of the spindle and turn it by hand. That's when you are cutting just a few turns and stopping at a flange.

I think my 6" Atlas drive will go up to 2500 rpm with an 1800 rpm motor and down to maybe 120 rpm. The bigger lathe doesn't need to run as fast. The home shop lathe doesn't need to run so fast as a production lathe when the operator is being paid by the piece.

You'll have to work with the existing belt drive to get the ratios from here. A jack shaft can be really handy in refining speed ranges.

Gerald J.

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Donaldinky

01-09-2007 08:40:35




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
There is no data on the lathe. the lathe has a 12 inch chuck on it. The motor is a 1300 rpm 2 HP motor. I have both the pulley that they used to org. control the speed.. The lathe was made in the early 1900s. Thanks Donald



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buickanddeere

01-09-2007 08:13:07




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
Excellent idea to use an invertor to drive the lathe. Not only can you set rpms but the torque can be limited as well. Should a tool jam, person get wrapped up etc. The lathe will come to a halt.



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Coloken

01-09-2007 06:28:46




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
I might add on--with a 2 HP motor on it , make dang sure you have some kind of safty device if you get wtapped up in it. A switch you can reach with either hand. I once wtapped up a coat sleave.



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Coloken

01-09-2007 06:26:43




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
I might add on--with a 2 HP motor on it , make dang sure you have some kind of safty device if you get wtapped up in it. A switch you can reach with either hand. I once wtapped up a coat sleave.



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Coloken

01-09-2007 06:21:00




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
My old, very old, lathe I used a jack shaft to slow down a standard 1750 RPM motor. Built a frame of angle iron, with motor and jack shaft, that pivots bahind the flat pulley head stock to keep tension on the flat belt. Then a V-pulley reduction from the motor to the jack shaft. Wish I had picture, but is at farm 40 miles and many snow drifts away.

At a wild guess, I think you want the head stock some where about 250 RPM with out the back gear. Some one with a better guess get in here.

Kennyp

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Joe(TX)

01-09-2007 04:34:50




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 Re: need to know what rpm i need for a metal lathe in reply to Donaldinky, 01-08-2007 23:33:47  
A lot af variables here.
How fast do you want the spindle to turn? What reductions do you have? It was probably set up to give anywhere from 30 to 150 surface feet per minute cutting speed. The rpm varies with the diameter being machined.
I'm not sure what speeds the old line shafts ran. Any data tags on the lathe to help with the calculations?



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