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jeffcat

01-07-2007 23:25:49




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Did anyone see the show "Myth Busters" when they did all of those gas saver gizmos this past week? They shot down every single one. The one workable item is used fry oil with about a 10% loss of mileage in a diesel. Very good show. Jeffcat




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RP2

01-08-2007 17:46:59




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
Also, with an automatic, learn where the shift points are and let off for a moment when you get there.

You'll always get better mileage at lower rpms



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Stumpalump

01-08-2007 08:06:29




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
The vacuum gauge like Hay was talking about is your best bet. When the vacuum is kept high you get great milage. Synthetic oil and gear lube have got to reduce drag on the engine. A high flow exhoust and K&N will free up the breathing for less drag on a moter but that kind of stuff just make me run them harder and wind up burning more. They claim throttle body spacers improve milage they don't but people buy them for a slight increase in low end grunt. They help that on 4.0 Jeeps for sure. You can feel it at 1600 RPM but I don't know why.

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lucasss

01-08-2007 06:20:25




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
i saw it. for 50 years ive been hearing about the carb that gets 100 miles to a gallon in a v8 engine. truth is, ive allways thought youd be running to lean to do that and burn holes in the pistons. any mechanic knows a too lean condition caused cumbustion temps to soar. the fuel injected gas engines of today seem very efficient.i agree with the vacume guage on the dash method. lucas



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hay

01-08-2007 06:00:13




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
one of the best devices for fuel savings is a "featherfoot" on the accelerator pedal. another good device is a vacuum gauge. i installed one on an old mercury years ago and tried to keep the vacuum at or about 18-20 on the gauge at all times and my mileage went way up. to get that kind of vacuum reading takes a light foot on the accelerator pedal and especilly when accelerating from a stop. over the road at a steady speed is fairly easy. older cars with vacuum windshield wipers would teach you how to featherfoot. the harder the acceleration, the slower the wipers would work and the lighter the acceleration, the faster the wiper would work. it was, IMO, a great gas saving device before anyone was concerned with fuel savings. maybe the auto manufacturers outta go back to something like that for fuel savings.

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azharry

01-08-2007 04:58:34




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
Actually your best gas saving device is a tire pressure gauge. Keeping your tires properly inflated can save more fuel than all of the gadgets and high flow air filters you can buy put together.
For those of you that insist on spending alot of money on air filters, please use the oil sparingly, a little goes a long way. I would hate to see you have to spend more money replacing a MAF sensor because of contamination or more money at the pump because it's causing your vehicle to run rich.

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Vern-MI

01-08-2007 04:30:07




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
Automakers will kill for a tenth of a MPG increase in any of their powertrains so if any of these held any promise they would already be in use.



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charles(mo)

01-08-2007 03:59:24




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
I missed the show. hope they air it again. I thought about getting a Cold Air Induction kit by K&M for my Ranger pickup. K&M claims I can inrease my gas mileage by up to 3 or 4 miles a gallon. I get around 18 mpg now, 22 mpg would be alot better. But I don't want to spend $200 just to find out that it doesn't work.

I think "click and Clack the Tappet Bros" talked about fuel gizmos on one of their shows and shot them all down too.

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Ron in Nebr

01-08-2007 10:00:04




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to charles(mo), 01-08-2007 03:59:24  
Lots of tests have been done recently on the K&N type filters. Yep, they flow slightly better than a paper filter. But ONLY when they're clean!

One top engine builder for dirt-track latemodels ran dyno tests, clean K&N and new paper filter were about the same, maybe 3-5HP better for the K&N. BUT- then he stuck on a K&N that had been run in ONE 50-lap race on an average dry racetrack, and due to all the dust that the oil had attracted, the engine was down over 50 horsepower! Granted, that's on an 800HP engine, so it wouldn't kill that much power on a stock engine, but still... If you drive anyplace off the pavement I'd stick with paper.

Plus, he said his experience was that the slightly better flow of a clean K&N was due to the fact that it didn't filter as well as paper. Claimed he could tell when he tore a race engine down for a rebuild what kind of filter had been run. The K&N's always showed significantly more wear on the cylinder walls. His thought was that the only good thing K&N has going for them is a very strong marketing program.

Best thing you can do air-wise if you want to free up a bit extra power/economy is do like the other post said and free up the ductwork leading to your filter box so the filter can get a good charge of cool air from out in front of the radiator support. Hot underhood air isn't good for performance.

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kyplowboy

01-08-2007 19:53:05




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to Ron in Nebr, 01-08-2007 10:00:04  
I agree. Lots of people around here spend big bucks on the K&N deal. They seem to do ok for comuters but I have herd of several newer farm trucks having real short life with K&Ns on deisels.

Dave



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Stumpalump

01-08-2007 08:30:23




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to charles(mo), 01-08-2007 03:59:24  
You make your own cold air intake. Match the diameter of the throttle body boot with new exhoust pipe or pvc pipe. Then just buy the right size clamp on universal K&N for the other side. Or just buy a replacement K&N filter for your stock air box and modify the air box to get a lot more air. Don't know about any milage gains but it make them sound good and pull a little harder especialy at WOT. A lot of cars and trucks come with a muffler device on the air intake. Just removing that frees them up. On the chevy trucks of around 85-90 that thing looks just like a exhoust muffler. You need to pull the guts out of it to let it breath. On the early 80's ford trucks the inlet tube for the air box is behind the grill. It has a plastic flap covering it that needs to be cut off and if you neatly trim back the grill plastic you will have direct ram air to your air box. All the factory air intakes can be opened up a little for free. I like free. The goverment makes the manufactures baffle the intake down for noise reduction.

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dan hill

01-08-2007 04:33:23




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to charles(mo), 01-08-2007 03:59:24  
A friends 4 cy Ranger gets 23 but he runs 60 mph most of the time.He refuses to beleive that slowing down will increase gas milage.A 60 hp Ford v8 got 25 mpg at 30 mph 18 mpg at 60 mph.These figures came from 1937 tests.I have a 96 Ford 4wd that got 19.3 mpg on a 100 mile check, average speed 50 mph.351 v8.Leadfooting will cost you.



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Sam#3

01-09-2007 17:53:58




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to dan hill, 01-08-2007 04:33:23  
I have a '98 Mazda B2500 (Ranger in a kimono). I was getting an average 26 mpg when the last big gas gouge hit a couple years back. I dropped my highway speed from 70 to 65 and the average mileage went up to 29.5.



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dhermesc

01-08-2007 06:22:53




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to dan hill, 01-08-2007 04:33:23  
A 4 cylinder Ranger doesn't get that good of fuel mileage - especially the older 2.3 engines that were rated about 88 hp. Any highway speed is a hard pull on the engine. The newer 2.3 (current engine) is rated about 145 hp and gets a biut better.



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Bus Driver

01-08-2007 04:30:34




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to charles(mo), 01-08-2007 03:59:24  
Some of the air filter changes seem to work for some folks- I have not tried them. The oil used on some of those filters can gum up the MAF sensor and require frequent cleaning of the MAF.



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RJ-AZ

01-08-2007 03:54:26




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to jeffcat, 01-07-2007 23:25:49  
Yup, the only fuel saver is attached to your right leg. Of course that also requires a direct connection to the brain.



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IH2444

01-08-2007 05:36:20




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 Re: Fuel gizmos in reply to RJ-AZ, 01-08-2007 03:54:26  
Yes , one piect of hardware pretty much has the most to do with mileage...The nut holding the steering wheel.
This one piece of hardware also causes over 90% of all accidents.



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