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220v wiring question follow up.

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jpuleo

01-07-2007 17:37:40




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Thanks so much for all the advice. I went out and got some #10 tonight. It will also have a plug and not be direct wired, just a dedicated circut.

My next question. Can I just use a single pole 20a breaker with both hots attached to the pole? I know a 30a double pole breaker would be the ideal, but I already have 20amp single pole lying around and figure I can repace it if I have any problem with tripping. Anyone care to comment on if this is OK to do?
Thanks in advance.

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larry in tn

01-08-2007 03:26:08




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 17:37:40  
Never skip on electrical work. To much can go wrong.



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jpuleo

01-07-2007 23:55:03




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 17:37:40  
OK. Boy did I have a huge brain fart! I forgot that a service entrance has to loads and a Nuteral. How that one escaped me...I dont know. Thanks and let this be yet another lesson in "the only dumb question is one that isnt asked" Since I may not have come to my senses and actually did this. Its really scary considering I just installed a complete new service entrance and service box a month ago.

Thanks and Bunch!

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John T

01-08-2007 06:32:19




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 23:55:03  
Hey jp No problem, Wait until you get older, those "brain farts" happen even more often lol. Its fun here to help each otehr and theres so many good people in the hobby which os another reason I love it.

Take care n God Bless

John T



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John T

01-07-2007 19:21:46




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 17:37:40  
JP, NOOOOO OOOOO OOOOO OOOOO OOOOO OO

Both hots atatched to a single pole on a single breaker only yields 120 volts from either to the Neutral but you gotta run 2 hots L1 and L2 = 240 volts between) and an equipment ground to that saw..... ..... .

You dont serve 240 volts from a Single Pole Breaker. 240 votls is available ONLY Line to Line. Its only 1/2 that or 120 volts from EITHER line (L1 or L2) to Neutral. A single pole breaker feeds 120 volt branch circuits (one phase via the breaker and the Neutral) while 2 Pole Breakers serve 240 volt branch circuits (L1 and L2 BOTH via the circuit breaker)

You need n must have a TWO POLE BREAKER

A single pole breaker (dont matter if its 15 or 20 or 30 amps) is fed from ONLY ONE PHASE (like say L1) while a 2 Pole breaker has a tap off of BOTH PHASES (L1 and L2) THATS HOW N WHY N WHERE YOU GET 240 VOLTS Line to Line.

If you examined a panelboard you would see the 2 hot L1 and L2 phase buss bars on top one on each side buttttt ttttt t as you go down one side where the breakers attatch you will see that every other attachment point is served by every other phase, thats why a 2 pole breaker with one on top of the other is fed off both phases i.e. 240 votls Line to Line.

GET A 2 POLE 30 AMP 240 VOLT CIRCUIT BREAKER and atatch one hot phase (like the red) to one breaker pole and the other hot phase (say the black) to the otehr breaker pole and the bare or green safety equipment ground TO THE EQUIPMENT GROUND BUSS NOT the Neutral Buss. Then at the saw or whatever you can use 2 pole 3 wire grounding type receptacle (a twist lock would be nice) and matching plug rated for 30 amps and your voltage.

Got it????? ????? ???

If I forgot anything im sure the other gents will add to this

John T

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Pappy

01-07-2007 19:16:13




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 17:37:40  
Just read what buickanddeere has said and "LIVE" by it. An unexpected 120 volt charge will really light up your sneakers. How do i know???



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buickanddeere

01-07-2007 18:23:38




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 17:37:40  
Supplying a 240V load from a single pole breaker or using a single pole switch is an invitation to get bitten with 120V. So is using two single pole breakers together without a tie bar between them. Same goes for three phase loads as well. Need to switch all three phases. And tie the breakers together. With single pole protection or control. The machine will shut off BUT the machine is still live with 120V. Yes I know some of you will say, so what but it works. Just let somebody connect you to 120V some time and see how it goes over.

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Peabo

01-07-2007 18:06:37




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 Re: 220v wiring question follow up. in reply to jpuleo, 01-07-2007 17:37:40  
That would not work. The simple answer is you only get 220V when you connect to a double pole breaker with each hot on a different pole.

Obviously a double pole breaker attaches to two adjacent stabs in the breaker box. If you really examine the panel box and follow the wiring all the back to power company transformer you will see that the poles of the breaker are connected to seperate taps on the transformer. The transformer has one winding with three taps. The two hots are the ends of the winding(240V) and the neautral is the center tap. So from each tap to the neutral you get 120V. So would just get a 30A double pole. Have a goodun!!

Peabo

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