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Richard H.

01-07-2007 08:49:13




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About three years ago I re-plumbed this old house all in copper except the hard water spicket for lawn watering. It is a freeze type about 10 in long. The other day I was out side and turned it on and about an hour later the wife came out and ask why the sump pump was running. Crapola!

It only leaks in the wall when the spicket is "turned on". Why? Is it packing, froze and burst?

Richard

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nballen

01-08-2007 10:04:35




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  
Richard,

You could also add a quick-connect coupler for that faucet to simplify attaching / disconnecting the hose. Most farm supply / home improvement stores will have some - might have to look around a bit to find a style you like.

I am outfitting our hoses with a brass coupler - durable, not brittle in cold temps; but it does cost a bit more - ~$4-$6 per coupler.

Nathaniel



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MarkB_MI

01-07-2007 19:39:27




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  
You did one of two things: Either you didn't install the faucet properly, or you left a hose hooked up during freezing weather. Either way, water was trapped in the outer part of the faucet, it froze and the tube split. The only fix is to replace the faucet.

When you install the new freeze-proof faucet, make sure it is tipped downhill a few degrees so the water will drain properly. I like the Mansfield faucets, they come with a wedge-shaped spacer that makes it easy to get the right angle.

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Dusty MI

01-07-2007 17:14:06




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  
Put a hose wye with ball valves on the faucet. Only alow a hose on one side then open the valve on the side without a hose attached so it will drain.

Dusty



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Bud in NC

01-07-2007 16:11:38




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  
After you replace the fawcet, just make sure there's not a hose connected to it when it's gonna freeze. The type you're describing is self draining if it's installed at the proper angle (downhill) UNLESS there's a hose connected to it - the water trapped in the hose freezes. The hose itself can expand but if there's a hose connected to the fawcet, most times it won't let the water drain out of the stem pipe. As the water inside the stem pipe freezes due to contact with the frozen water in the hose it'll bust the pipe.....BTDT - coupla times!!!
Ain't no attack of da dumb azz - just a brain f*rt....till the 4th or 5th time, anyway....just make sure the hoses are disconnected.

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Gary from Muleshoe

01-07-2007 11:57:48




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  
I did the same thing the first winter I lived in my house. I had to crawl under there and replace them both. Taught me a lesson, I make no hoses are connected now days.



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Vern-MI

01-07-2007 09:26:10




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  
That long wall cock has a hole in it where it passes through he wall.



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Garry in OK

01-07-2007 09:24:05




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 Re: Plumbing question in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 08:49:13  

The washer and seat are at least 8 in. back (may be considerably more) from the handle. If the faucet was installed improperly or a hose left attached, water can be trapped in the tube, then freeze and burst the tube. They should be installed oriented slightly downhill towards the discharge end, also remove the water hose so it can drain. At least that"s my guess. Garry



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Richard H.

01-07-2007 09:54:36




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 End of story in reply to Garry in OK, 01-07-2007 09:24:05  
Grrrr... Her and her yard buzzards (chickens)I guess I was lookin for a ray hope as in a simple fix. I"m sure that"s it, she keeps leaving the hose hooked up. Thanks for the replies

Richard H



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PeterT

01-07-2007 10:48:15




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 Re: End of story in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 09:54:36  
at least when you replace it this time you can put on one the the hose can be left on and it will still drain.

Good luck PeterT



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Richard H.

01-07-2007 11:03:34




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 Re: End of story in reply to PeterT, 01-07-2007 10:48:15  
That would be nice but I don"t understand what you are saying. My goal around here is to make things goof proof.



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Ryan - WI

01-07-2007 19:38:40




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 Re: End of story in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 11:03:34  
They make a faucet that is freeze proof and also automatically drains low pressure. There is a valve on the end of the faucet that stays open unless high pressure (water flow) is present.



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Steve Crum

01-07-2007 11:36:39




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 Re: End of story in reply to Richard H., 01-07-2007 11:03:34  
Sorry my friend, any attempts to make something completely idiot proof, simplifies the task of an idiot screwing it up.



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Richard H.

01-07-2007 11:46:20




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 Re: End of story in reply to Steve Crum, 01-07-2007 11:36:39  
Uh, she"s not an idiot friend, she just goofs up now and then.



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