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Rant: Shop LIghts!

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RayP(MI)

01-05-2007 16:19:04

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You know the kind - 48", two 40watt flourescent tubes. About $10.00 at any big box store. Have gone thru more of "em than I want to count. doesn"t make much difference what store, or what brand, they"re all failure prone. Seems like I have to replace out several every year, "cause they fail on the job. Got one out of stock today, brand new out of the box, and it went out almost immediately. Paint was bubbling off the reflector too. Finally got it working, but heard the lights drawing lots as to which one would fain next, as I left the building. Use 5 of "em to light rabbit cage area of barn, (nice tight, warm barn - even in the coldest weather.) Wife has 8 to 10 in craft area in the basement. So I"d like to be able to depend on "em.

While I"m ranting, I"d like to find a source of small flourescent night lights that would last more than a few weeks. Ah, the wonderful stuff from overseas.

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JerryU

01-06-2007 19:33:18

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

For what it"s worth, I have a 30 X 40 steel sided unheated pole barn in SE Michigan. I went all flourescent with yard lights:

9166 - Lights of America 65 watt Fluorex yardlight (brown) Wattage: 65 watts
Incandescent Equiv.: 500 watts
Dimensions: 10.75" x 9.9"
Light Output: 4,500 lumens
Color Temperature: 6,500 Kelvin
Warranty: 2 years

Sale Price: $33.80

These are available on line or in the big box stores. They are plastic and will fire at 20 below and will come up to full brightness in a couple of minutes. No flicker, no big problems and you don"t need a whole pile of "em.

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Charles (in GA)

01-06-2007 15:11:53

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

Keep the fixtures and replace the ballast with an electronic one for T8 lamps, then install T8 lamps in the fixture. After a while you will have replaced them all and eliminated your problem.

The "curly lamps" are technically known as CF or Compact Flourescent. I have quite a few of them in the house. One in particular I turn on in the morning and it stays on till bedtime. I get about three years out of it each time. They will burn up, I have come in from outside a couple of times and smelled a burning smell that I tracked to that particular light, its burned up, blackened, and the plastic housing on the base is blackened too. Now I replace it every couple of years before it quits. The others I don't use that much, so they last and last.

Charles

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buickanddeere

01-05-2007 18:46:29

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

Flourescents and arc lamps are made to be turned on at the start of the work day and turned off when going home. Flicking them on and off every few minutes when leaving the room beats the lamps and ballasts to an early death. Electronic ballasts are the way to go.

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wisbaker

01-05-2007 18:39:52

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

a lot of the cheap shop lights you get are t-12 with a "regular" ballast. If you shoparound you should be able to find lights that are T-8s, a 34 watt t-8 puts out the same light as a 40 watt t-12 and usually has a better ballast, try to get'em with the electronic ballast. Once using t-8s you can buy longer life bulbs. In Wisconsin the power company will give you a rebate for each t-12 ballast replaced with a t-8. ain't socailsim grand?

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Gary Schafer

01-05-2007 17:13:50

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

Get the ones with the electronic balast. Much better.

Regards
Gary

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MarkB_MI

01-05-2007 18:45:42

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to Gary Schafer, 01-05-2007 17:13:50

I'm with Gary. Dump those old style lights and switch to the T8 (skinny) fixtures with electronic ballasts. That's all I put in my shop three years ago and I'm still on my first set of bulbs. They fire right up even when it's below freezing.

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fixerupper

01-05-2007 17:11:32

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

This summer we replaced some old 48" flourescents with the new curly ones that screw into a regular light socket and we have a LOT more light. Another benefit is they they don't use much power for the amount of light they give off.Jim

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perry in mi

01-05-2007 18:17:58

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Re:HEY - fixerupper in reply to fixerupper, 01-05-2007 17:11:32

i am getting ready to convert my 4 light bulbs in my garage over to the 48" floresent type. maybe i will look into the swirl looking light bulb. what size watt did you use?. i seen theese swirly types in the stores, but never payed much attention to them.

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Dave Sherburne NY

01-06-2007 10:17:30

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Re:HEY - fixerupper in reply to perry in mi, 01-05-2007 18:17:58

I use these curly bulbs in my shop, and they seem
to give more light than the incandesant bulbs they
replaced. I went outside to the electric meter one day before I put in these curly bulbs, and thought the disc was spinning to fast so I decided to try the curleys The spinning disc on the meter slowed down considerably after I replaced the incandesant
AND since I listen to talk radio all day long, these
curly bulbs don't seem to interfer to much with AM
radio. I have about 16 of them in my 16X44 shop

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fixerupper

01-05-2007 19:14:58

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Re:HEY - fixerupper in reply to perry in mi, 01-05-2007 18:17:58

There are different types depending on brand and style so the best thing to do is go to a store like Menards and look at the display. I think the ones that give out the equivalent of a 100 watt incandescent use 27 watts,but you can go bigger or smaller. There's a new one that gives off a kind of a cold 'bluish' light that's so bright you can't hardly look at it. It seems like they need about 30 seconds to reach their peak after they are turned on and I have never used them in a cold building so I don't know how they act when they are shivering. I put a few up in the woodworking shop to give a little boost to the light the 8' flourescent tubes (big tubes) give off and the 27 watt blue swirly ones just blow the long tubes away as far as brightness goes. I haven't had a swirly one fail yet so I can't realy say how long they last. Jim

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perry in mi

01-06-2007 04:18:44

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Re:HEY - fixerupper in reply to fixerupper, 01-05-2007 19:14:58

thanks for the info. ill try one in the garage and see how it works in the cold.

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mjbrown

01-05-2007 16:55:52

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Re: Rant: Shop LIghts! in reply to RayP(MI), 01-05-2007 16:19:04

I've been told by the electricians at work that the tube has to be a match for the ballast, but I'm not sure how exactly. If they are mismatched the tubes will not last.

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