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Campbell Hausfeld welders?

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Nat 2

01-01-2007 18:58:34




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Anybody have any experience with Campbell Hausfeld stick welders? Local harbor freight has them on clearance, and with my 15% off coupon, I can pick up what appears to be a nice quality stick welder.




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Steve Crum

01-02-2007 19:31:11




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
I think you have received some very good advice here. I can state that even in the best brands there is a world of difference in welders. I started Tig welding in my shop years ago with an ac/dc buzz box (after several years of learning on a syncrowave 250 at work). The buzz box did respectable welds but after a time I was ready to move up, so I bought a Miller Econotig. Nice little unit, did everything I needed in Tig for nine years (the buzz box and an old 1940s era Craftsman welder handled stick duty). The Econotig ultimately choked one day in the middle of a rush job, an inverter board toasted, probably due to the 1/2" of accumulated crud. It would have been 2 weeks getting a new board from Miller or 4 weeks to have the old board rebuilt and updated (1/2 the cost of new). Screwed either way, I called and ordered a new Miller Syncrowave 180 SD for delivery the next morning. I actually had to re-learn to weld again! I had been working too damn hard at getting good welds for too many years. With this unit it's practcally point and shoot, the machine doe's the work.
So like has been said many times already, Don't cheap yourself, buy the better machines. You can easily get good enough with them that people will actually pay you to weld things for them (and you can buy better and more equipment) all downhill from there...

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James in North Carolina

01-02-2007 11:30:18




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
I can't comment on CH welders as I have a Miller, but CH has their stick welders reconditioned for about $160.00.

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Personally, I would prefer to buy a welder from our local welder supply as I know I can then get warrenty and other service work done.

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souNdguy

01-02-2007 07:06:33




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
I have a 70a ( 115v 20a outlet ) CH welder. I've had it for a few years.. It is great for welding thin metal. 3/16 and 1/8. It will use 1/16 and 5/64 rods.

With good technique you can weld 1/4 fine, and with patience, and deep undercutting, even a little bit of 3/8 .. but don't plan on doing it for long. 1/16 and 5/64 rods burn up fast when having to fill in those deep v-cuts.

I almost purchased a CH ?225a/?230a welder when i was looking for a big 240v stick welder. It was priced at about 230$. I held out and got a hobart stickmate xl 235a welder for 239$ from tractor supply.

It welds real nice! Put a 1/8 electrode in, turn up the heat and glue 1/2"steel together with a quickness.

Had the CH big stick welder been cheaper.. say int he 180 - 200$ range.. I'd probably have bought it.. since I don't do very much welding anyway..

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135 Fan

01-02-2007 15:54:12




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to souNdguy, 01-02-2007 07:06:33  
I read your post and I'm curious. How do you get deep undercutting on 3/8 plate with a 70 amp welder? Trying to weld too thick of plate with a very small rod will not produce a very strong weld. The thicker steel would have a quinching effect on the weld unless it was preheated and kept hot for the entire weld. Conversely, on some big weldments you want to use a smaller rod and put more passes in as it gives a finer grain structure. This is why flux-core is not usually used on critical welds. Turning up the heat hotter than the rod can handle does not make a better weld. It usually causes a lot of spatter and acts more like a gouging rod. Anyway I was curious. Dave

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old

01-01-2007 21:17:43




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
My self I wouldn't even think about one. Not that I have ever had one but its hard to beat the old lincoln buzz box or a miller welder. Plus both hold there value and them cheap off brand will never hold there value and probably be a joke to try to do much with



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Land70

01-01-2007 20:52:19




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
I had a 70 amp CH about 2 years ago. It worked for my purposes, which was light duty stuff like lawnmower bodies. It would weld for about three minutes before it shut off, at that time I didn't have a clue about duty cycle. I did get rid of it though, it about took an act of God to get the arc to strike.



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135 Fan

01-01-2007 20:36:52




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
I don't want to have any experience with them. An air compressor maybe but going by what I have seen they look like junk and probably are. Spend a little more and get something half decent. Dave



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Stan in Oly, WA

01-01-2007 20:15:09




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-01-2007 18:58:34  
Hi Nat,

I don't have experience with Campbell Hausfield equipment of any type but I can tell you some of the problems you can run into with a cheap stick welder.

Short duty cycle: You don't buy a 225 amp welder because you'll ever do much home workshop welding at 200 amps or more. (You won't.) You buy it so that you can weld at 100 amps for more than 30 seconds of every ten minute period. Some cheap welders will claim to have a top end of 100 amps (for instance) but in their specs it will show a duty cycle of 5% at 90 amps. That means two things. It means that at 90 amps in any 10 minute period you can weld a TOTAL of 30 seconds and have to let the machine cool the other 570 seconds. And it means that you don't know what the duty cycle is at 100 amps except that it's less than 5%.

Picky about rods: All low OCV (open circuit voltage) stick welders including Lincolns, Millers, and Hobarts tend to not run well on every size and type and brand of electrode. But if you run across 2 or 3 that a Lincoln 225 amp buzzbox doesn't handle well, you might have trouble finding that many that a 100 amp Campbell Hausfield, or Chicago Electric, or Century, or Speedway, or Schumacher (to name a few) DOES handle well. Unless you have some way of trying electrodes without having to buy a few pounds at a time of every combination of 3/32", 1/8", 6011, 6013, 7014, 7018AC, Lincoln, Weld-It, Hobart, Easy-Arc, and so on, you might spend more than the difference you would have paid for a quality machine just trying to find something you can weld decently with.

Poor arc quality: I don't think any low end stick welders are manufactured with copper wound transformers nowadays, but some are better than others anyway. My experience with cheap stick welders (quite a bit, actually) is that they either don't put out as much current as they claim, or something about the electronics makes the arc difficult to maintain. Either way, you'll find that whereas with a quality welder you can strike an arc with a 3/32" 6013 electrode at only 40 amps, for example, a cheap welder might not even act like it's turned on with the same electrode until you have it cranked to 80. In the worst cases your welder either won't let you strike an arc with a 1/8" electrode, or maybe even with a 3/32", or will only do so with it cranked to its highest setting (and lowest duty cycle). If you buy a welder that won't weld with 3/32" electrodes, you're not in luck. There's a big price jump per pound for 1/16" and 5/64" electrodes and they aren't available everywhere.

Those are some but not all of the shortcomings you might encounter buying too cheap a welder. There's one other general problem. Stick welding isn't easy. With the very best equipment it still takes a lot of practice to do it well. Low end equipment might prevent you from ever being able to do a good job, or it might discourage you from even wanting to put in the time it takes.

I used to regularly make the mistake of telling myself, "I'll get a cheap (whatever) and see if I like it. If I do then I'll get a good one." Well, aside from the problem that you're less likely to buy a piece of equipment that you already have one of---even if the one you have is a POS---the real problem is that trying a cheap anything, whether it's a hunting rifle, a table saw, or a stick welder is likely to make you decide you just don't care for that activity.

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Nat 2

01-02-2007 06:31:58




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 01-01-2007 20:15:09  
Thanks for the comments guys.

This is their top-of-the-line WS2800, 225 Amp, 220 Volt unit, not the el-cheapo hobby welders. Here's a link to it on their website:
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Normally sold for $250, on clearance at the local store for $199, plus 15% off. Original price is comparable to the Lincoln AC225 buzzbox at Lowe's.

You can tell that the Campbell Hausfeld is several notches above the harbor freight welders on the same shelf. It's a very solid feeling unit compared to the tinny flimsy Chinese welders.

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Dan hill

01-02-2007 13:32:58




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-02-2007 06:31:58  
The CH welder is on clearance and reconditioned units are being offered. This welder just came out a year or two ago.This should be a warning to you.The Lincoln 225S can weld at 75 amps with a 100% duty cycle.I bought my 225 Lincoln in 1964 and its still working fine.Check the weight of the CH welder versus the Lincoln.I do very little welding below 100 amps.Ive used the little welders, dont bother with them.The lincoln will weld at 100 amps with no problem.The small 90 amp welders will turn you against welding.

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TimV

01-02-2007 09:39:59




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Nat 2, 01-02-2007 06:31:58  
Nat: I agree it looks like a better welder than an out-and-out China cheapie. However, I still think that by the time you're said and done you'll be better served with a name-brand welder. As you said, $250 or thereabouts will get you a Lincoln AC225, and Lincoln will still be around in 5 years when the warranty (assuming you can get Harbor Freight and/or CH to honor the warranty, which based on past experience with Harbor Freight is like expecting a politican to honor his election promises) expires and you need parts.

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Ebbsspeed

01-02-2007 06:24:55




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 01-01-2007 20:15:09  
Stan, well said! I've got an older Miller Thunderbolt that works pretty well for what I weld, plus a smaller Lincoln MIG. One of my buddies decided he wanted to learn how to weld, and bought one of the cheap stick welders fom Harbor Freight, so I went over to give him a short overview of basic stick welding. I had a heck of a time getting that thing to start and hold an arc with an 1/8 inch rod. 3/32 worked OK once you got an arc started, and as you pointed out, it had to be at a lot higher setting than what I use on the Miller for the same rod. I left my buddy with a handful of 1/16 rods to practice with, and told him that after he burned those up he could come over to my house and I'd let him try the Miller out. His experience with the cheap welder has dulled his enthusiasm for welding.

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Nat 2

01-02-2007 09:02:52




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 Re: Campbell Hausfeld welders? in reply to Ebbsspeed, 01-02-2007 06:24:55  
I guess I shouldn't have mentioned harbor freight, because everybody now just assumes I'm buying an el-cheapo harbor freight welder. :(



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