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Choosing Correct Welding Rod

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Glenn FitzGeral

12-31-2006 19:47:43




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I am in the process of moving the axles back on my tandem trailer. I have the axles/shackel brackets removed. While I have done a fair bit of welding, my vertical and upside down welds are not real good. I have a Miller 200 wire feed welder and an AC arc welder. Which welder should I use to weld the six shackel brackets back on the frame? If the arc welder, what rods would make upside down welding the easiest for me?

Thank you so much to all of you for your responses. I can't imagine life without YT! Glenn F.

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Glenn F.

01-01-2007 07:21:26




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 12-31-2006 19:47:43  
Thank you for your responses. You guys are the best!

Glenn



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T_Bone

01-01-2007 06:20:14




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 12-31-2006 19:47:43  
Hi Glen,

For you? Neither! I'm not trying to be mean here, but Glen every weldor has to know there limitations. This is not an weld you should make but hire/find a certified weldor for these critical joints. I would hate to here your welds failed and killed your family or someone else's family.

The weld joint:
You have approx 2" of weld on either side and about 1-1/4" of weld on the ends to make this joint hold. You do NOT want to lapp the side welds into the end welds on the hanger as this makes for a weak joint. The joint is much stronger if you leave the welds untied.

Mig welding would produce about 3/8" of cold lapp on each start so the Mig process would be a poor choice VS 7018.

You can pre-tack all the hangers tho so it takes less time for the weldor.

The Dexter website has a PDF you can download with all kinds of suggestions for correct axle attachment. I found it well worth reading.

Another good idea comes from looking at the way semi trailers attach there axles. They use a small boxed sub-frame for axle attachment then attach the sub-frame to the trailer frame for a extremely strong design. Attachment is usually 8 bolts between four points.

T_Bone

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CNESLER

01-01-2007 06:06:21




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 12-31-2006 19:47:43  
Glenn
use the machine that you use the most.
Personaly I do not like wire welders unless I have a lot of production work. I would use a 6011 rod for the first pass and a 7014 for the second pass with the stick welder.
CNESLER



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Glen in TX

12-31-2006 20:51:49




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 12-31-2006 19:47:43  
Learn to use and set the wire welder and use it. Can't believe you would have to ask that if you had a Miller 200.



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Glenn F.

01-01-2007 07:12:19




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glen in TX, 12-31-2006 20:51:49  
I bought the Miller 19 years ago. For various reasons, I have not used it in over 18 years. I still have the original roll of wire in it. Last summer I finished off an old out building and now I have a shop again.

Glenn



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dan hill

01-06-2007 05:03:02




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glenn F., 01-01-2007 07:12:19  
Hire a certified welder to do this job.If you have had a mig all these years and havent used it dont do critical jobs.



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old

12-31-2006 20:15:37




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 12-31-2006 19:47:43  
I would use 7014 rod. But then its also the rod I use the most and have had vey very good luck with it



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thejdman01

01-01-2007 08:19:50




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 Re: Choosing Correct Welding Rod in reply to old, 12-31-2006 20:15:37  
Glen if i remember right, you live in western il??? Baker trailer isnt too far away from you if you do, take your trailer to them. They are very professional, reasonable, will help you w/your needs and best of all if your axles fall out, you got somone to go back on.



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