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Bob in Ga

12-31-2006 11:30:55




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Since I am just starting out with this kind of stuff I wan t to ask a few questions before opening the wallet. I need to demolish a old house trailer that is on the farm that we bought. It caught on fire several years back and is not inhabitable. The area kids(?)have broken out all of the windows and now someone is trying to strip part of the siding off of it. I thought that if I got a torch (OXy/Acty) to cut up the bigger pieces of steel, the I beams etc., I could use the gas later for a unit to braze/weld material together later, is this correct?

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Houghbert

01-01-2007 06:58:25




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
Peel the siding away, or cut in place into managable pieces sized to fit in the truck.

A pair of snips or an abrasive wheel for your skillsaw. Heck the skillsaw with the carbide blade itself will cut the aluminum siding if removed from the lightweight framework.

Cash in the aluminum and go buy a sawzall and a few blades for the rest.

Forget about the torch.



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Bob in GA

01-02-2007 18:34:42




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Houghbert, 01-01-2007 06:58:25  
I have a sawzal already (I would never remodel with out one!!!!). I'm spoiled and would like the torch for other things like the ever popular blue wrench and doing some light weight welding. Thanks

Bob



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mike jenezon

12-31-2006 20:29:06




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
hi i would stick with a victor or victor copy at least around here (southeren oregon) harris and smith are way harder to find stuff for. harbor freight sells this one http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Category.taf?CategoryID=294&pricetype= which is a copy of the victor 100 have known a couple people who have bought them and been very satisfied , i am going to get one myself as some times i need the little torch . mike

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two mile

12-31-2006 16:37:07




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
A good torch set is an excellent investment. I agree, there are so many things that you can do with it. I personally ended up purchasing two tank sets so that I was assured of never running out of gas. I would also would not rule out purchasing a plasma cutter. I bought a used rental unit from our local supplier for half of new. It's not quite as portable, but is faster and does a better job cutting. It all comes down to what you are comfortable with and can afford.

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Tim Casbolt

12-31-2006 14:37:22




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
FYI: using propane as a fuel gas will save you a lot of money over using acetylene. And you probably already own the tank (it's under your gas grill).



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old

12-31-2006 14:05:20




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
Not to scare you off but the tourch set is the small part of the price on a set. I got the tourch set that I have for around $50, got it from a widow and her husband had never even opened it up. But the real cost was the tanks. Life time lease on them was $300 each for the tanks and that was 10 years or so ago. Last time I aked it was more like $600 each in my area and that was 2 years ago

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Iowa Jim

01-01-2007 17:56:35




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to old, 12-31-2006 14:05:20  
I purchased my tank setup from Linweld in Des Moines, Iowa last January for $471. This included an 80 cf (?) WS type acetylene tank, a 125 cf oxygen tank and a very nice tank cart.

I opted to purchase instead of lease.

Check with your local gas suppliers, they may have some tank specials.

Jim



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TimV

12-31-2006 13:48:57




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
Ditto on what Mike says about a name brand. While I own as many Harbor Freight, Cummins, Northern Tool, etc. etc. tools as anyone (and have gotten excellent service from most), you will not regret paying a bit more for a name brand on a torch. This is a buy-it-once investment, and you will want a decent one. Victor, Smith, and Harris are the three big names, and most any of their popular mid-size units should do what you want. I have a Victor and it has been a very good unit, with tips availible at most good hardware stores. Also, do not buy the tiny kits that you carry by hand--step up to ones that have their own cart--the smaller rigs will eat up gas bottles like there's no tomorrow, especially if you're doing a lot of cutting. Filling the smaller bottles will only be a couple of bucks less than the larger ones, and they'll always be empty when you go to use them. I had to do the exact same cutting job when I moved into my present place--the previous owner had used an old house trailer for junk storage in my back yard, and I had to cut it up and get rid of it. I easily saved the cost of the torch set back over what disposal cost would have been if I contracted the job.

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-31-2006 13:24:41




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
Whatever you do, buy a name brand. Do not let a cheapo lure you with low cost. If you can't buy parts or tips for it, you'll be crying when time comes.

Convertible rig would be your best choice. Cutting head, rosebud, welding tips all interchangeable on the handset. Even a little convertible aircraft torch would be plenty for what you want to do. Just beware, those cutting rigs will empty a 90 cuft O2 bottle FAST.

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jwal10

12-31-2006 13:01:45




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
But remember you can also use a torch to heat things up. So don't forget to make sure you get one large enough to run a rosebud.I probably use torch this way as much as cutting and welding put together. Even with a wire feed welder still like to weld thin metal with torch.Also use for brazing on other metals. I use a large rosebud to heat metals up like used to be done in forge to hammer weld and for bending iron. I put torch in holder so I can just hold metal to heat, then metalwork on anvil with hammer. I use both accy. & propane for torch.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-31-2006 12:45:29




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 Re: Gas Welding Torch in reply to Bob in Ga, 12-31-2006 11:30:55  
Hi Bob,

You are correct. You use the same gases for both cutting and for brazing and welding if the fuel gas is acetylene. You may use any one of a number of other fuel gases such as propane, MAPP, and propylene for cutting and usually for brazing but not for welding because they don't get hot enough.

A cutting torch is different from a welding/brazing torch and they come in two styles: Some cutting torches are complete units in themselves and don't allow for the change to a welding/brazing torch with a simple change of the unit on a torch body. Others are made to be installed onto or removed from the torch body by hand. Victor makes both types. This type seems more versatile and may be less expensive than buying two separate torches. The dedicated cutting torches may be larger and more rugged. I've used both types in moderate shop work, and they don't seem much different. In the setting of a salvage operation the dedicated cutting torch might demonstrate its advantages.

All the best, Stan

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