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Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta table sa

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Pooh Bear

12-23-2006 19:56:43




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I have a 1938 Delta Table Saw. That's the manufacturing date, not the model number.
It was given to me many years ago. It needed a motor and a rip fence. I got both. I used the saw for a lot of years. Then I moved and it went in storage. I am setting my shop up again and today I turned the saw on. It sounded like the arbor bearings needed lubrication bad. Only place I could find to add lubrication was on top of the saw arbor. I expected a grease fitting. What I found was a hole with a wooden plug in it. I pulled the plug out and the hole wasn't threaded. I filled it up with straight 30 weight oil. I spun the arbor by hand a bit and it got easier to turn. Then I added more oil and spun it some more. Finally topped it off and replaced the wooden plug. Plugged the saw in and turned it on again. It sounded better but still not right. And some oil leaked out on the end of the arbor near the blade. The other end has a pulley on it.

My question is, what type of lube should I put in this thing. I can't afford to replace my table saw at this time. So I have to take care of this one until I can replace it.

I used to have a manual for it that I got from Delta when I called and ordered a new rip fence for it. Finding that manual would be nearly impossible.

So how should I lube this thing. Oil, thicker oil (90wt), grease, cornhead grease, etc?

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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JOHN HARMON

12-24-2006 09:55:29




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-23-2006 19:56:43  
Drive in a Zerk that will fit the Hole and Grease with Chassis Grease -If that doesn't quieten it down go to Berry Bearings and obtain the proper Bearings for your Arbor Shaft. You may need to obtain and mount new Saddles for these bearings as your Oil Lubed Bearings Saddles may not accomadate the new Bearings. Your Saw is a "Keeper" and any dedicated WoodWorker would be proud to display it. To use it I don't know. I have a 1950 Sears Cabinet 10" Saw which gets a lot of use but my 1999 "General" 12" Cabinet Special is a pleasure to use. I have never used a Delta Table Saw so I should not be judgeful of them, however their Reputation preceeds them when Woodworkers get together so you have a Machine that is in a class by itself if in good condition. Fix it up and keep it.-- John

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-24-2006 15:50:42




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to JOHN HARMON, 12-24-2006 09:55:29  
Have you considered doing the same thing to your car, truck, or tractor engine? Think how much easier it would be. No need to change the oil, ditch the filter, just pump some grease to it and drive.

Same thing for the spindle on a South Bend Lathe, just get rid of the oil cups and install zerk fittings. No need to even check the oil levels anymore.

See any problem with this?

I have taken apart several old machine tools where the oil holes had been replaced by alemites to "ease maintenance and make it quiet and less messy". Usually, I had to drive the dried hardened grease out of the holes with a punch. The grease on top looked fine, but not down at the bearing where it counts. You have to clean the bearing oil grooves with a chisel, if you can save them. Usually the bearings and journals are ruined.

If those bearings have wood plugs and holes, they are meant to run on oil and grease fittings will ruin it. Yes it will run quiet for a short while, but it's gonna make a LOT of noise real soon, then it'll get real quiet because that beautiful old saw will be ruined.

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jeffcat

12-23-2006 23:31:38




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-23-2006 19:56:43  
Boy do I agree with Mike. At Philadelphia Bearing you can get precision bearings and they cost a few more bucks but Dang do they make a differance! You are messin with a very high quality tool that will give you better quality with better bearings. I would replace them and your saw will give you MUCH better cuts. My Dad and I did his big Rockwell many years ago and it made a H---l of a big differance. Bearings in an old corn planter or a wheel barrow are another story. OK? Jeffcat

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-23-2006 23:01:26




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-23-2006 19:56:43  
You were pretty close with the straight 30. Truth is it probably takes something even thinner. Try tractor hydraulic oil, it's used ina LOT of machine tools.

You might want to flush the bearings out real good with kerosene, or better yet, take it apart and clean it real good. That would also give you a chance to see if the bearings need to be replaced, which they might after being run dry.



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Pooh Bear

12-23-2006 23:28:52




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 12-23-2006 23:01:26  
I went and checked on it late tonight.
All the oil I had put in had leaked out.
Seals must be bad. Don't know if those are replaceble.
I was thinking something thicker wouldn't leak out.

I kinda hate to try to take that arbor assembly apart. I don't want to damage it. I'm half afraid of what I will find. Although it would be nice to know what's in there.

It wasn't run dry long. Maybe 5-10 seconds.
Soon as I heard it not sound rite I shut it off.
After that I filled it with oil and run it a few times for 5-10 seconds with oil in it. So I shouldn't have done any damage. Wonder if I could just pump it full of grease and see what happens. If it still don't sound rite then take it apart and flush it out real good and inspect it.

Pooh Bear

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-24-2006 09:20:03




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-23-2006 23:28:52  
DO NOT PUT GREASE IN THOSE BEARINGS!

I have taken apart lots of old machine tools with ruined bearings from where somebody decided it would be easier and less messy to just install grease fittings. The grease turns to wax, clogs the oil grooves, and the bearings burn up.

The arbor assembly on a 1938 table saw should be nothing but a shaft with a couple of setscrew retained collars and maybe a pulley.

The reason it is leaking oil is that there probably aren't any seals to begin with. On older machinery, they just let it dribble. Likely it has porous bronze bushings instead of ball bearings. Once you oil them, what's needed will soak into those bushings, the rest wil run out on the floor.

Take it apart so you KNOW what you are dealing with. Let us know what kind of bearings you have and we can go from there.

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Pooh Bear

12-24-2006 18:38:32




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 12-24-2006 09:20:03  
First chance I get I will take the arbor assembly apart.
I'll let you y'all know what I find.

I really like this old saw.
It is one of the old tilting table types.
If you want to cut an angle you have to tilt the table.
But the tilt mechanism doesn't work any more.
But for general ripping work you can't beat it.

I have another little saw.
One of those little $100 deals from Home Depot.
I can use it until I get a chance to work on the other saw.

I'm glad y'all confirmed for me not to use grease.
I figured that wooden plug was in place of an oil cup.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-24-2006 19:12:22




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 Re: Lubrication for arbor bearings 1938 Delta tabl in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-24-2006 18:38:32  
That wooden plug may indeed be in place of the proper oil cup. GITs makes these cups and they are still available from MSC, McMaster-Carr and others for a few bucks apiece. I bought some for the motor on my 1918 L&S lathe as the originals had the little spring loaded caps broken off. These are also on the countershaft of the SB 10L lathe at work, both for the spindle bearings and the countershaft. Most of these have a yarn or felt wick that lets the oil out at a slow rate so you don't get the drooling you described.

Spend a dollar or two putting this saw back up right. You'll be glad you did 30 yrs from now.

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