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Farmer in the D

12-22-2006 06:29:19




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I am looking at a smaller Chicago Electric 44567 MIG 90 amp setup with a 10% duty cycle to do light stuff. Mostly want to do sheet metal like fenders and floorboards but would expect to do an exhaust system here and there. Will a 110 setup be enough to do a tailpipe well or should I look a little heavier for the welder?

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135 Fan

12-22-2006 19:33:02




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
I agree with the other posts. Get a name brand higher end wire feed welder with gas solonoid, cold wire start and at least 4 or 5 voltage ranges. You also want something with replacable parts and liners for the MIG gun. Auto body welding can be difficult and needs decent welds. You want to use C25 shielding gas and .023 solid Mig wire (E70S-6). You have to keep the gun very straight and make sure you get an evenly wound spool of wire. .023 wire can have a lot of feeding problems but when working right will easily weld thin panels. Sometimes a series of tacks are used to control distortion from the heat of welding. A good welding supply can set you up and may even have a demo room to try machines out. Hope this helps. Dave

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railhead

12-23-2006 06:33:46




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to 135 Fan, 12-22-2006 19:33:02  
I agree. I have a Lincoln SP175 and I have never had bigger wire in it than .023. I use 75/25 gas. Everything I use it for anyway is small stuff. I repaired a tractor mufffler yesterday with it and I was very pleased. Spend the money and get a good quality welder. I have never heard anyine say the harber freet (or any cheap chinees) welders are any good. Only heard the opposite.



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TimV

12-22-2006 13:46:35




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
FITD: A few thoughts--first, without knowing your level of welding expertise I don't want to be insulting, but floorboards, fenders and exhaust systems are some of the most difficult welding you're apt to run across due to the potential for burn-through on these very thin substrates. Adding a cheap welder into the mix is apt to make an already difficult welding job nearly impossible for even an expert. Further complicating this by having an always-hot tip and not having the ability to use shielding gas is going to make this a hair-pulling experience. A friend had almost the exact same welder and gave up on it due to all of the above, selling the welder and buying a Miller to replace it. I've got a Hobart 135 with gas and it does a pretty good job on sheet metal--I think you'd be happier spending the extra money and buying a name-brand welder with gas capability. $500 or so isn't exactly pocket change, but isn't all that much money for a proven tool that will give you many years of service, either.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-22-2006 12:40:18




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
Hi FITD,

I agonized over that same welder before Thanksgiving when HF was selling them for $89.95 for one day. I know there are no free lunches but I try to convince myself that that's not what I'm looking for because my incentive is different. What I'm looking for is a price that's low enough to justify buying something that I'm not likely to use much---in this case a decent 120V welder. Several years ago I bought a 120V stick welder from HF and returned it within a couple of days. You don't expect the best performance from really cheap, occasional use equipment, but it's got to be better than useless.

I decided against the Chicago Electric welder that you're considering mainly because the electrode is always hot which I think is a terrible system, to a lesser extent because it has only the two heat settings, and because of the 10% duty cycle which I would find a nuisance. (The thermal overload breaker in the 120V stick welder I took back to HF really did trip with very little heat buildup.)

Hobart and Lincoln both make 120V wire feed welders. I don't know if Miller does any more because Hobart is actually the low end of the Miller line now. One of Hobart's cheapest wire feed welders is flux core only---no potential for adding gas. All these machines really do cost about 4 times as much as the HF model in question---5 times as much if you end up getting one after buying the Chicago Electric welder and finding it worthless.

All the best, Stan

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JOHN HARMON

12-22-2006 09:55:21




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
My Lincoln Fluxcore 100 useing 110 volt outlet will do a very good job on 20 Ga. up to 1/4 " Cold Roll useing .035 Flux Lincoln Wire. For Heavier I use my Old and Trusted 225 Forney Stick Welder which I have had for 30 years or more. I looked a HF 90's for 89.95, Checkers Auto as well as Pep Boys sell cheap Wire Feeds, etc. until I saw the Lincoln and although it costs 4 times what others may and less than others I feel it is worth every Cent I paid for it.I used to Gas Weld Light Guage Metal but that is a thing of the past for most general Welding now.

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MarkB_MI

12-22-2006 09:45:37




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
Well, sometimes you get what you pay for. First, that welder is NOT a MIG welder. It is a flux-core welder and probably cannot be converted to use gas. Second, it only has two ranges, which will be fairly limiting. Last, most of the cheap wire feed welders do not have a relay to switch on the weld current when you pull the trigger. This is very aggravating, especially after you've used a decent MIG welder with this feature.

So if you're going to get a welder, you might as well spend the money to get a good one. If you need portability, go with a 110V unit and flux core. If you need versatility to do both heavy and light stuff, by all means spend the extra bucks to get a good 220V unit set up for gas. You won't regret it.

Miller (including Hobart) and Lincoln both make good low-end MIG welders. Note that the Home Depot Lincolns are not the same units that welding supply houses carry; go to a reputable welding supply house for your welder.

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Chester

12-22-2006 07:35:53




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
Second that recomendation on the Miller 135 (or better). Also have a 90 amp Century that is gathering dust (pretty much useless), even after adding the "gas" conversion kit. If you are also interested in "brazing" with your MIG, check out these links ++
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wfw

12-22-2006 07:08:28




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
I got a hobart from tractor supply, it has a 20% duty cycle, hard to get a decent duty cycle on anything without paying a lot more. so far I like the hobart but haven't used it much. 10% duty cycle means you can use it for 1 minute and let it rest for 9 minutes, I would go for a hobart or something a little better than this. just my 2 cents worth



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MikeinKy

12-22-2006 06:40:58




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-22-2006 06:29:19  
I don't know the price on the one you are looking at, but I would get one I could get parts for, like a miller, hobart, or lincoln. I have had bad experiences with lincoln mig welders. In fact I used to work for a large welding supply retailer, and they would only sell a lincoln if the customer special ordered it. We stocked miller. Hobart is the same item as miller in a different color. I would get at least a 135 miller or a 180 if I could afford it. I have a miller 175 and I'd like a 250 now. My lincoln had plastic drive rolls and they stripped out about 2 or 3 tines a year. Miller has metal.

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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

12-23-2006 05:52:23




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to MikeinKy, 12-22-2006 06:40:58  
Thanks for all the good advice. The seller (private) told me it was a MIG set before I looked further. Turns out it is not a true MIG welder. Price was wrong anyway. Not too much less than HF posted price now. I will do more homework before picking something up that will end up sitting on the bench most of the time.



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Rexalot

12-24-2006 09:10:48




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 Re: 90 A MIG thoughts in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 12-23-2006 05:52:23  
I have a Sears "craftsman" mig welder, 110v with an 80/20 cycle. You have adjustments for Hi/Low and wire speed. Not really any better than what you have pictured. It came set up to use gas, but I haven't done anything more than use a fluxed wire. It takes some "experimenting" to make a good weld without burn thru due to the "limited" settings that you get with a "HI/Low". I think I paid $249.00 15 years ago. At the time that was what I could afford, and I thought that the unit would do the job I needed it to. I thought I would do a few body panels. Never did any. Welder still gets occasional use on a few small projects. I use an old Miller stick welder for my projects now.

If I were to do it again I would by a much bigger Miller unit.

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