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Greg Lasher

12-21-2006 06:31:16




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I just got an older Craftsman lathe and know nothing about using it. The manual is rather overhwelming to say the least. I've seen people using a lathe and think I know a very very very very very samll amout about it but want to learn more. I don't want to go put a piece of metal in the chuck and try something becuase I know I will break a tool or break the lathe. Can some one suggest a good book, video, or just some advice of how to get started. I'm a self taught mechanic, welder, etc.. and do catch on to this stuff easily but I need some guidance to get going. Thanks
Greg

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NLX

01-08-2007 22:21:27




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
The Sherline web site has some good tips for sharpening lathe tools



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JBruce

12-26-2006 16:41:22




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
and never wear gloves.



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Jim K

12-21-2006 16:30:27




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
Best thing I bought for my 1940's craftsman lathe was a monkey block. got it at a tractor show and swapmeet from a retired machinist.
If only I could get a three jaw chuck instead of the old four jaw.



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MikeCatthemuseum

12-21-2006 19:50:39




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Jim K, 12-21-2006 16:30:27  
Three jaw is quick, but not nearly as accurate as a four jaw. If you are making a part that has to be chucked, and then cut accurately, like turning a new seal or bearing surface on a shaft, a three jaw is not going to work. You need the four jaw and a dial indicator to allow you to line things up.

If you get a three jaw, chuck a scrap bar. Turn it down a bit, then turn it around in the chuck and cut back the other way. You will find a definite ridge where the chuck is not perfect. Next take your four jaw and line up the bar. Take a cut. Turn it around, line it up again and cut the other way. You will not be able to find the start/stop point.

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tx68

12-21-2006 12:57:54




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
I used this American army manual when I started using
my 1936 southbend lathe.


If you google "tc9 524 lathe" you will be able
to download it as a pdf file.


Jim



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J.T.L.

12-21-2006 11:45:04




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
Now retired after 44 years as a machinist, I can tell you that all machenery is pretty much alike. "IT`S JUST A MATTER OF MAKEING FRIENDS WITH IT".----- Join up with this Yahoo Group. It has members with No knowlege that want to learn and members with a Lifetime of knowlege that are willing to share.

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John

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RustyFarmall

12-21-2006 10:35:20




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
I don't know which model Craftsman it is, but if it is one of those 109.*** models, you did not get much. If you accidently run the cutting tool into the chuck, or take to big a bite, it will stall out, but the spindle will twist and be damaged before the belt slips. It is also very likely that the spindle is already twisted. I had one of those 109s, I got rid of it.



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MikeCatthemuseum

12-21-2006 14:57:10




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-21-2006 10:35:20  
Just depends on what you want to do with it. A 109 is definitely not a heavy duty machine, but they are ideal for tiny work. A friend bought one and uses it to repair old model trains (American Flyer and Lionel). He has paid for the machine many times over already.

Myself, I have a 9x20 Jet I loathe becuase it is so small, flexible, and underpowered, but it is inredibly handy for very small work and can thread metric. I also have a 1918 18" L&S that weighs about 6000lbs and can peel a 1/4" deep cut on a 10" diam part without breaking a sweat. I'd hate to have to make model train parts on the L&S.

There's only one thing better than a good lathe, and that's two or more in varying sizes!

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RustyFarmall

12-22-2006 05:51:41




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to MikeCatthemuseum, 12-21-2006 14:57:10  
My intentions with the 109 were for making new throttle shaft bushings for Farmall carburetors. That sorry little 109 was not capable of doing even that.



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MikeCatthemuseum

12-23-2006 01:04:31




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-22-2006 05:51:41  
Incapable in what way? Power, rigidity, length?



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MikeCatthemuseum

12-21-2006 09:47:32




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
"Large old lathes had a crash bar about waist high that would disconnect things."

Not any of the ones I have seen. The clutch handle might be close by if it is a gear head, but a cone head has only the switch, if you can reach it and if it isn't a lineshaft machine.

The Craftsman manual is actually very good, as good as the SB book. Just read and re-read it until it makes sense. Another good source for the basics is here:

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I have the lathe, mill, dril press, and grinding machine sections printed out and stuck in three-ring binders. Beware, you'll need a lot of paper!

As long as this machine isn't in backgear, it can't do a whole lot of damage to itself or you. That is one great thing about a light cone head lathe like this. If you run the carriage into the chuck (which you will) or take too big a bite, it's just going to stall and slip the belt in the top speeds. It'll certainly bite you, but it's not going to remove major body parts either.

Backgear is a different story. There is definitely the potential to break things there. Fortunately, it wil also be running very slowly, so you have more time to see what is happening and prevent wrecks. In backgear it can also easily break bones and remove parts. Save that for once you are a bit more familiar with it.

You might also hang out on a couple of the machinists forums and soak up knowledge there. There are several very good ones, just see which one fits you best.

Unles your machine is broken, it will be imposible to engage the threading half nuts and the feed at the same time. Most lathes built after the 1880s have interlocks.

Always put the tool on center, carbide or HSS. Not putting the tool on center will cause it to rub as diameter decreases and also changes the effective rake angle of the tool. Just don;t ptu the tool below center. That will cause the work to ride up on top of the tool. baaaad idea.

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glennster

12-21-2006 08:36:30




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
i took a class years ago from the local high school at nite. they had a real nice machine shop class. if not check out a local community college or vocational school. meet with the teacher before you sign up, tell him what you are interested in, he can steer you in the right direction, and offer some extra stuff for ya during the class.



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George Andreasen

12-21-2006 08:33:25




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
Greg, Lathe level and solid? Good. Plug the machine in. Rotate the chuck by hand to make sure nothing"s stuck or engaged. Turn it on. Sound O.K.? Good. Move the cross slide,compound and carriage back and forth using the hand wheels. Practice engaging and disengaging the power carriage feed. Do NOT engage the leadscrew (for threading) at the same time. Study your book on this one. Not too terrifying is it? O.K., place a piece of, oh say 1" cold rolled steel in the chuck, not allowing more than 1 1/2 times the diameter to protrude..otherwise you"ll need to support the outboard end with the tailstock. Clamp it firmly and REMOVE THE CHUCK KEY. You don"t want to fling that thing through the wall (or you) on startup. Place a sharp high speed steel (HSS) tool in the tool holder and position the point just above center. How? Put a small straight edge between the tool point and your workpiece. Is it straight up and down? Then you"re on dead center. Move the tool point up until the straight edge leans just slightly to the rear of the machine. Now you"re just above center by a few degrees. On the other hand, carbide tools go directly ON center, so you can use the same technique. Remove the straight edge and move the tool point close to your workpiece and start the machine. Using the hand carriage feed, slowly feed the tool in lengthwise, taking a small surface cut. Wasn"t too tough, was it? O.k...now try the same thing using the power carriage feed. Little smoother surface? Good! Pay attention and keep the tool away from that rotating chuck. There, you just made your first cuts and survived! Why the long and very basic posting? Because it"s nothing to be afraid of! Fire that baby up and practice making simple cuts while you study the book and familiarize yourself with the controls. You"re on the road to building and repairing things that you had to pay someone else to do before! Enjoy, George

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Jiles

12-21-2006 08:27:41




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
I am a "tool and die maker"-- The best advice I can give you is to be careful and practice. One of the most critical things to know, to be succesful, is how to sharpen or make a cutting tool. If you know a shop machinist, have them correctly grind a Turning tool-- A Facing tool--and a parting tool. Don't use these to the point of having to sharpen them as you can grind your own using these as a pattern. Always start out with a slow turning speed and watch the color of the chips. Cutting too fast or too deep is a common mistake that ruins the tool or work piece. It is very easy to forget how to grind a tool if you don't use them often. --Just a few suggestions that I hope will help--

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Glen in TX

12-21-2006 08:27:12




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
The South Bend lathe book the guys are recommending is excellent. Those Craftsman lathes were made by Atlas that is now a part of Clausing so contact them for parts list and manuals that apply to your lathe. I once purchased a very handy book from them on the Atlas lathes that covers safety, operation, and several handy threading and machine charts. I still have Craftsman/Atlas 6" lathe for small work. To add to what the others said on safety beware of anything loose on clothing that get wrapped up like even those strings on a jacket hood, loose gloves, or loose strings on emory cloth. Many machinist magazines out there also for ads with accessories for you lathe and ways to improve it to get more out of it. Link to Clausing in Goshen Indiana below.

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Coloken

12-21-2006 07:27:38




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
Greg, Everybody learns as they go. BE WARNED --the piece you are tuning can grab your sleave and do you much damage unless there is some thing that will slip. Never, never, wear a neck tie. Have a switch where you can reach it with either hand. Large old lathes had a crash bar about waist high that would disconnect things.



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Greg Lasher

12-21-2006 07:21:59




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
thanks so much so far....grrrr how will I ever get work done (here at work) with so much good stuff to read now?



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Eric in IL

12-21-2006 07:09:10




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
As Bob says "How to Run a Lathe" by South Bend would get my vote for a beginner. Here is a link for one source to purchase:



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TimV

12-21-2006 07:04:46




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
Here's a site dedicated to the small 7 x 12 imported lathes, but much of it will be applicable to your lathe. I have one of the 7 x 12 lathes, and it's a wonderful little tool. My latest project is making a set of custom dart flight holders for a friend out of 1/4" aluminum round stock.



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Bob

12-21-2006 06:54:30




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Greg Lasher, 12-21-2006 06:31:16  
A "classic" book is "How to Run a Lathe", by South Bend Lathe Works.

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BarryfromIA

12-21-2006 17:25:55




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 Re: using a lathe in reply to Bob, 12-21-2006 06:54:30  
Just remember Safety First. Think before doing any thing with a lathe or other power tools. When grinding High Speed tooling, keep water handy for cooling the tool. Any discoloration in the ground edge will shorten life of the sharpening job. You need to study your book to learn the correct rpms for each diameter. Little things mean a lot to a good machinist.



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