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OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw.

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Midwest redneck

12-18-2006 13:35:38




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As some of you may remember my Father in-law died 2 months ago. My wife and I gave my Mother in-law $2,500 cash to help with funeral expenses. However my MIL in her kindness gave my Sister in-law a 1998 Ford explorer (for free) because she asked for it. I was going to offer my MIL $5K for the truck before we gave her $2,500 for funeral expenses, my thoughts were she wont need 2 trucks and it frees up the car insurance, my wife didnt want me to offer the money for the truck because she thought it was rude. Here is the Crappy part. My sister in-law is not only going to get a truck for free but she agreed to pay for half of some flowers for the funeral which she has not paid for and my wife and I are stuck with the whole flower bill, about $350. Plain and simple I want to go to my MIL and ask her to tell my Sis in-law to pay for the 1998 explorer because she is a greedy *itch. What do you guys think. I am a little *issed off here.

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Slowpoke

12-26-2006 00:58:34




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
You sent your MIL $2500 for the funeral. Why were you billed for the flowers? Did you order them on the promise that the SIL would pay for half? Did she give you a date when her share would be paid? Does she keep making excuses for not paying? If so you must pay the florist and ask a judge to have her pay her share.
As for the truck, has your MIL signed over the ownership papers to your SIL? If not yet, offer to buy it NOW. Tell her you will pay a lump sum or monthly payments if she prefers.

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IA Roy

12-25-2006 22:32:33




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
My condolences. I agree with whoever said that you are only out $175 until or unless she comes up with it. It is mighty good of you to chip in for the funeral.
I would have the wife mention to her sister that her mother is on a fixed income and couldn't afford the funeral, so she probably couldn't afford to gift the Explorer to her either. Mom may regret giving it to her, but will not say anything so as to keep peace with the greedy daughter.
I feel that anyone who asks a grieving parent for their possessions, just because the other parent died is a low class white trash snake in the grass. This is especially true so close to the funeral. I may sound a little harsh, but I know from experience and friends experiences that these things happen. If or when the time comes that I have to deal with a similar circumstance, I hope that I can be level headed and keep my cool, even though others may show greed and poor taste.

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SDE

12-20-2006 18:07:18




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
I read " If you loan someone $20, and never see them again, it was probably worth it." You paid or lost $175.
Screw me once,shame on you, Screw me twice, shame on me.
Stay true to yourself and move on.



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John in Ct

12-19-2006 18:33:24




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
I posted a while back but not sure if it was your post or not, but my prediction was right on what was going to happen!. You have a right to be mad but you aren't in that bad of shape. You were going to give the $2,500 no matter what for expenses? You still have the $5,000 to buy another truck so you are ok that way. You are down $175x 2=$350 for flowers. Don't complain to MIL. You will only look bad. $175 isn't worth getting all upset. On the other hand, your sister inlaw is up $5,000 with a truck and $175 for flowers. So the way I see it, you are only down $175 for flowers. How you procede is up to your wife. Is she mad or Does she feel that you should give your $5,000 truck money to your sister inlaw and do all of her repairs for free too?

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ScottP

12-19-2006 10:02:33




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Redneck
As my wife's cousin always tells me "Family Sucks".
In every family there is the golden child, who can do no wrong, is always right and always broke.
In his family it's his youngest sister. In my wife's family it's her older sister. In your wife's family it's your SIL. Now you know her head is up her donkey. Just do yourself a favor and forget the $175
and remember "Family Sucks".
Scott

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john cub owner

12-19-2006 07:03:44




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
I have been in similar circumstances, and my advice is to let it go. It is not your family or responsibility, it is your wife's family. do what you can for your MIL and leave it at that.



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Same ol' Chit

12-19-2006 06:47:46




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
This is the price you pay for being a well adjusted, self reliant, responsible person that you are. In my family and in my wifes family there is 1 sibling on each side that is just plain lazy and worthless. Both our families give them monthly and sometimes weekly cash "loans" that never get repaid.

I work 60 to 70 hours per week and do everything I can for myself by myself. We live in a decent house on a nice acreage and have NEVER asked the families for anything. In the same point they never offer anything either. My family has told us numerous times that If you wnat or need something you will just work more and get it yourself. If my sister needs a different couch My mom will go buy a new one and give her the old one(maybe 2 yrs old).

I have asked both families about their complete and total lack of equality in "gifts" of money to the other sibling and the response from both sides is always the same..."We dont worry about you guys because you are more responsible with your money and what you have, but your brother/sister arent responsible and need some extra help."

My brother makes 30,000 a year more than me but drinks all the time and gambles all the time, and last year my mother gave him over $7000 dollars in help. When I suggest cutting them off and making them be responsible I always get told "If we cut them off now they will never make it."

What a crock! But life goes on and at the end of the day when my wife and I go to bed we feel good about getting what we have, by ourselves.

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bh

12-19-2006 12:01:08




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 Ditto all that in reply to Same ol' Chit, 12-19-2006 06:47:46  
What "same old chit" said.



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lenray

12-19-2006 06:43:37




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Redneck the answer is in the archives. Check out the big farmer who lived in Kentucky who farmed half of Indiana--he knew how to handle family and land and how to come out on the plus side.



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larry in tn

12-19-2006 03:52:22




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Well bud I guess we all have to face similar ordeals in our life. I've learned that things will usually work out if given some time. It's a little early yet. Just relax for now.



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MarkB_MI

12-19-2006 03:19:46




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
'neck,

Leave your mother-in-law out of it. She's done nothing wrong.

Forget about the truck. It's history.

Have your wife ask her sister for the $175 she owes you one more time. If she doesn't pay up, write it off. Believe me, it will probably be cheaper in the long run to eat the $175 than to collect it.



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Steve Crum

12-18-2006 21:41:26




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Step sister took me over the coals on Mom and Dad's estate. I was the only one to stay near Mom and Dad until they passed on. Mom gave me Dad's guns. 2 Days before the estate auction I get a phone call from the auctioneer stating that if those guns are not turned over to him the day of the auction, Sister will report them as stolen to the state police. I complied, the guns brought a total of $700 bucks of which the auctioneer got 100 and the remaining 600 had to be split 3 ways. I asked sister if losing her only remaining brother for 200 bucks was worth it. She's in California and I'm in Pennsylvania. I haven't talked to her in 4 years. Family just don't do things like that to family as far as I'm concerned. On thing Dad did give me that she couldn't cash in on was his ability to hold a grudge

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T_Bone

12-18-2006 20:52:13




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Hi MR,

Well your the reason we all need wills. Ya don't get to *issed just yet.

Your asking your MIL to be pychyic to who wants what. Your SIL beat you to the truck. Even if she didn't win the race, MIL still has final say on who gets the truck. You lost! Suck it up and get on with life. Did you really think you could beat out one of "daddy's little girls" ?

U gave a $2500 gift without attachments but now you want "special favors" to attach too that gift. Shame on you.

For $175 your nit picking. Ya it's the correct thing to do but everyone takes death different and one day SIL just may snap back and give your WIFE the $175 she owes HER, not you as your demoted to "just" a BIL by marriage in this case. Think about that. There's a fine line here that your trying to cross and you don't belong on that other side right now.

You asked remember? Be a good SIL and shell out money and keep your mouth shut like all good SIL do. Your MIL may well thank you some where down the line before she dies, but doubtful as she will most likely be in shock from loosing a husband until she also dies.

T_Bone

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Midwest redneck

12-19-2006 02:12:27




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to T_Bone, 12-18-2006 20:52:13  
I gave the $2500 as a FREE gift to my MIL. The $2500 is not an issue, and does not really involve my SIL. Its the fact that my SIL cant (wont) pay for flowers for her own dads funeral, real sad.



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-18-2006 19:56:27




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Hi Midwest redneck,

Let me start by saying that I sympathize with you for your losses---both family and financial. I think that when family members exhibit self-centeredness and greed in these circumstances it often creates hard feelings that never go away.

In rereading your posting after going through the responses you've received so far, I notice that your calculations and those in many of the responses are making the situation seem worse than it has to be. In the first place, your SIL agreed to split the cost of the flowers with you and has (so far) reneged on that obligation. But you stated that the total cost of the flowers was $350, so your hit there is $175, not $350.

Second, and more important in my opinion, your MIL's decision to give her daughter a truck that you had considered offering $5,000 for has nothing to do with the $2,500 you gave your MIL for funeral expenses unless there were some big, fat strings attached. My guess is that there weren't. Would you have given the $2,500 if there hadn't been anything your MIL could give you in return? I'll bet you would have. If so you're not out $2,500 because of who got the truck. It wasn't fair, and it wasn't very nice, but you're old enough that you shouldn't still be getting your feelings hurt when things aren't fair or nice (I'm guessing you're over the age of ten.)

Your wife sounds like the good one in that family to me. I also know from years of reading Tractor Talk that you're a good one yourself. Count yourself lucky for what you've got, and for being able to be generous rather than being tempted to be a petty chiseler.

You have a right to ask your SIL if she can pay you the $175 she owes you for the flowers now. Maybe she will. A lot of people won't step up to repay a debt without being asked.

In my experience, two things you get to spend a lot of time regretting are the good things you didn't say and the angry things you did.

All the best, and Merry Christmas, Stan

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mpuller2

12-18-2006 19:00:03




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Easy for me to say, but write the money loss off. It won't break you. Be glad and thankful you don't have to be in her shoes. Our life on this planet is short. You will see each other the rest of your life. Easy to speak to each other than to avoid each other.



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Hobo,NC

12-18-2006 18:14:10




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Dag gumit left this out. Reminded SIL every change ya git rite in front of MIL just how much you are glad she got the car and how GOOOOO OOOd that car wuz, That wuz rite nice of her to give�it to ya. I spec if theirs more to this you will be informed. You kin always say sorry I thunk she gave it to ya no hard feel�ins.



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Hobo,NC

12-18-2006 17:58:49




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  

Went thru this with my sister, Dad went over a year with terminal cancer, The medical bills took all they had and then sum. Insurance ran out, money ran out �bout all that wuz left wuz house and land. When dad died he had �bout a new car 6K on the clock worth around 15K. Mom did not drive so I wuz fer sell�in it. Sis wanted it so mom gave it to her. I Ended up keep�in mom�s property up pay�in off the mortgage buy�in the mowers to keep 5 acres mowed etc on top of that I have a brother who izz severely handicapped that lives with her and do my best to see he gits what he needs. He gits enuff money to look after hiz needs but sumone has to take the time to do it., you should see were I am going. What ever she needed I took care of it no complaints at all, never once ask fer nuttin just look�in after her wuz enuff. Well believe this or not she offered the property to my sis 5 or 6 years later. At that time rite much money wuz still owed on it remember the car dad got a equity loan and also enuff to pay off sum other stuff. So ya say surly he insured the loan. Well ya know banks look after banks so yall better check iffin you owe money and over 65. In the contract life insurance stopped @ 65, he died @ 65 �, not that�s stuck and troubled fer sure. Lot more to this but I paid it off and ask that it be keep a secret. Well mom kin not keep her trap shut and told sis and she had a fit. Well sis then thought she could run the show better than I kin now that she seen she did not haveta shell out enny money. I got rite tard of it and just flat told Mom that it looked like I wus not needed so it looked fer the best to let sis handle look�in after the house, yard, brother etc. Mom said No I would never haveta have sumone else come on this property and tell me what to do again she sighed it over to me. Now you know this ruffed my sis�s feather real bad, Mom said ya got �bout a new car out of the deal, Hobo never complained �bout it. Well that same day the car came back sit�in under the car port. I sorts figgerd the deal but waited till mom told me she �brought it back said she did not want it enny more. Lets see it�s now over 10 years old 185K worn slap out. Yep I kin see were I don�t want it enny more and you did not give me nuttin here it izz I give it back, I did give ya a ride in it now and again. That wuz 7 years ago and I have repainted it and keep it spit shined under the carport and drive it from time to time you know just to spite her. I will say it really never bother me that much I know theirs no way to equal things out, spec yer MIL feels good she gave her a car would bet she has her reason. Your call on how you handle this it will eat at ya tho iffin ya let it slide. When thru the same deal with my wifes folks property. One of her sisters ended up wiff all of it. Matter of fact I am glad they did not that I think they deserved it more than the rest but seen no need to fight over it, took 1/3 the tax value, they got a real deal, better them selves and every chance I git I tell�em how much I liked it that they got the place and not sumone I don�t know. My wife got the shot gun that hung over the door that her farther let it be know it wuz their loaded and ready to be used if need be when all uses boys were court�in hiz girls. After her sis/bil moved in and took over I gave�em the shot gun back fer Christmas a few years ago and told�em it belongs over that door rite their hang�in on them 2 nails.

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Easy1

12-18-2006 17:09:18




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
FWIW:
1) You can pick your friends, You can't pick your relatives.
2) Never loan money to relatives. If you can afford to give them money, fine. Generally, if they were good credit risks, they wouldn't be asking you.
3) You just had one expensive lesson. Make a big issue out of this, you will probably have another expensive lesson.
4) This advice is free - and you get what you pay for.
5) Your best payback is to remind your wife of all you have done for her family. Then that 350 might look a good investment. BTW - I still have my 1st wife and all my stuff....

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Easy1

12-18-2006 17:06:11




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
FWIW:
1) You can pick your friends, You can't pick your relatives.
2) Never loan money to relatives. If you can afford to give them money, fine. Generally, if they were good credit risks, they wouldn't be asking you.
3) You just had one expensive lesson. Make a big issue out of this, you will probably have another expensive lesson.
4) This advice is free - and you get what you pay for.
4) Your best payback is to remind your wife of all you have done for her family. Then that 350 might look a good investment. BTW - I still have my 1st wife and all my stuff....

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Gene Davis (GA)

12-18-2006 16:48:57




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Advice given to me many years ago by my father, "only have financial dealings with family and friends if you can afford to give it to them"!



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Bud in NC

12-18-2006 15:44:53




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Gotta join in here - another BTDT - write it off, chalk it up to experience and life's lessons and AVOID the SIL b*tch for the rest of your life - no point in putting yourself in a position where you'd slip up!
I'm almost 60 and I've finally *figured* out that sometimes it's just better to shut up and walk away. If she ever calls for help, then you can tell her to KYA!



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Stumpalump

12-18-2006 17:59:25




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Bud in NC, 12-18-2006 15:44:53  
I agree with Bud. Seems rotten people never ever change or come around so chalk it up and write her off.



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Joe Losinski

12-18-2006 14:43:31




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Ya know --- all these guys are giving you good advise, and ya know, live and learn,,,, it don't pay to be the biggest jerk when there's others that do it for you, I had about the same problem with relitives, and I just go my way and pick my friends, cause ya sure can't pick most relitives for what they do to you.



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someone used my name

12-18-2006 14:14:46




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Hey Mid, I feel yer pain... BTDT! Similar situation several years back... subject still comes up 'tween the missus & me from time to time. Sometimes, life just don't go as we'd hope. My advice... write the whole $2850 off as a CHEAP lesson... any words would be wasted and would only serve to cause hard feelings (trust me, you would live to regret them!) IMHO, regards, D.L.



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knott up

12-18-2006 15:12:38




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to someone used my name, 12-18-2006 14:14:46  
dont argue with your sil DICKER



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NEsota

12-18-2006 14:11:39




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Think it was Benjamin Franklin who coined: �You never truly know someone until you divide an estate with them.� Be that as it may, people may be at their worst when grieving. Redneck, we heard part of your side of it and may be inclined to take your side. Better communication could perhaps have avoided this tiff. Many families come apart at times like this and suffer the consequences, maybe forever. I have not run into many people who thought they got more than they should have, out of the estate. Seems to me, that the fewer enemies people have the happier and healthier they are.

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phil lowe

12-18-2006 14:05:47




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
dude ,,suck up the $350 for the flowers and the 2500 for the funeral and keep your mouth shut ,,trust me anything you say will be wrong ,anything you do will be wrong,,you will end up coming out looking bad ,,
MY MIL just died last week and Lots a stuff going on here as well ,which I can't get into on a public forum ,,but needless to say I feel as you do ,,but trust me ,Bite down HARD real hard on your tougue..I almost got mine bite right in to!!!!

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Eric SEI

12-18-2006 19:17:53




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to phil lowe, 12-18-2006 14:05:47  
My Mom still complains about one of her half sisters who during Granddads funeral went through the house and took things.



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Eddie in MI

12-18-2006 13:55:23




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 13:35:38  
Ok... you wanted some thoughts...


Really, really, REALLY think about this situation and how you want to approach it. I know that tyour first inclination is to spout off, and for good reason. But:

1. You have to live with these people in your life and

2. Sometimes people are stupid because they don't know any better. In fact, it NEVER OCCURS to them that they are being selfish idiots.

Maybe just keep these things in mind and try to convey your message in a confident, but diplomatic matter. And whatever you do, don't just "let it go." You will go to your grave pissed off about this unless you make your feelings known NOW.

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Alkay

12-18-2006 14:39:52




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Eddie in MI, 12-18-2006 13:55:23  
Be happy you are not in a worse situation. My wife had to move my sister-in-law in with us "temporarily" about 4 years ago! She is still with us and is still unemployed. I keep telling my wife we have to do something. She agrees, but is afraid her sister will do herself in, since she is bi-polar. She is able to contribute some food stamps and $50-$100 per month at the most, but we wind up having to pay for everything, including cigarettes. This really gets me going since none of the rest of us smokes! The rest of her family seem to live pretty well and promise to help, but the help never comes. Oh well, just needed to vent. I don't see any relief in sight at this point!

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Midwest redneck

12-18-2006 14:48:12




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Alkay, 12-18-2006 14:39:52  
I would throw her out to the street like an old couch. The best cure for that situation is tough love, get a job, pay your way, and if you off yourself because life is hard then that is just too bad.



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ewe hawler

12-18-2006 19:48:39




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 Re: OT: need advice on how to deal with Sis inlaw. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-18-2006 14:48:12  
Delt with the whole bi-polar SIL myself about 2 years back. My wife let my sis move in while I was working out of town. I was gone for about 7 months and she was there for about six. I laid down the law to both my wife and my SIL that she had to be gone befor I got back. She even tried to convince me to rent her our Florida room. I stood my ground and she's out on her own paying her own way now.

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