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mike-ga

12-18-2006 08:31:39




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I am in the process of preparing an old truck for paint. I have the body work almost finished, and will spray primer soon. I think my current $15 HF gun will work ok for the primer, but I need advise for a cheap siphon feed gun with a 1.5 or 1.4 mm nozzle. I do not like the idea of the garvity, cause they seem like they could become messy quick, especially for me.




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Seth_ia

12-18-2006 16:58:06




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to mike-ga, 12-18-2006 08:31:39  
Binks Model 7 is the best siphon feed to buy in my opinion. Can be bought pretty reasonable. You can get one off the internet for between $200-$275 if you shop around. This is cheap compared to what a good HVLP gun would cost. I've got a cheap $40 Coleman knock off of a binks that I use for primer. It is barely good enough for primer! I'm leaning towards buying another Binks Model 7 so I have one for paint and one for primer. The cheap guns are not machined nearly as well as the good guns. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. A good gun will pay for itself compared what it would cost to hire the job.

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souNdguy

12-18-2006 11:35:22




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to mike-ga, 12-18-2006 08:31:39  
The paint jobs on my tractors looks just as good as the body work.. that is.. the gun is not the limiting factor..

I'm using a cheap binks ripoff copy from the chinese store that cost about 9$ 6 ys ago.. still works fine.. though on my next tractor i may upgrade to the 15$ chinese gun..

Soundguy



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rustyj14

12-18-2006 09:38:09




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to mike-ga, 12-18-2006 08:31:39  
here's a tip from an old auto body painter---One of those $45 or so spray guns from the auto body supply store, or the local sell anything store, will probably do as good as a high priced spray gun. But--don't buy one from Sears, or the like! those guns are good for painting houses, but not good for cars or tractors. When i refinished cars and trucks, the only spray guns i used came from the flea market or the supply stores. It isn't the gun so much as it is the painter! For a one or two time use, i'd just use the siphon type of spray gun. (old style of gun). no use buying a lot of fancy high priced equipment for one or two jobs! BUT!! Here's the catch---if you are going to use the isocyanate hardener in the color coats, you'd best rig up some kind of fresh air mask, with supplied air! If not using hardener, the regular 1 or 2-filter painting mask will suffice! And, not those white paper dust filter masks! Read back in some of the past posts to understand the ramifications and dangers inherent in spray painting! HTH: Rusty Jones

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mike-ga

12-18-2006 10:42:41




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to rustyj14, 12-18-2006 09:38:09  
Yes, I am familiar with the isos. Just trying to find a good siphon feed gun.



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RustyFarmall

12-18-2006 11:50:34




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to mike-ga, 12-18-2006 10:42:41  
I own a Campbell-Hausfeld siphon gun that I bought maybe 15 years ago. I've never been able to blame the gun for any problems I have experienced. A high dollar gun in the hands of an amateur is still capable of inferior results. A cheap gun in the hands of an expert is capable of excellent results.



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B-maniac

12-20-2006 18:34:53




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-18-2006 11:50:34  
I have a Binks 69 that I bought in 1972 when I started in auto-body. Never rebuilt and still sprays/adjusts like new. Also have two DeVilbiss JGA's. One for color and one for clears.Same deal,never rebuilt and spray fine. My one caution would be this. If you plan on spraying much metallic single-stage paint,then get a GOOD gun. They atomize paint better and have more infinite adjustments , both needed for metallics to come out right. Binks #7 or DeVilbiss JGA (#80 air cap and matching fluid nozzle) Also , these guns have a fluid volume knob for a reason.Every one turns these knobs way out til the trigger bottoms out and think thats how you paint. If that were true they wouldn't be adjustable! Play with closing this down to match the air to get the perfect blend of air/fluid for atomization and flow out. That's where these GOOD guns shine in comparison to the "knock-offs". Tuneability! Yes ,the gun can and does, make or break the paint job. If you only spray solids , you can use a hose. Also , if you get a GOOD gun and decide at a later date to sell it, at least there IS a market. It's like comparing a JD 4020 to a Belarus or Kubota or Leland or other such quallity tractors.

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Rexalot

12-21-2006 05:57:57




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 Re: PAINT GUN in reply to B-maniac, 12-20-2006 18:34:53  
Why are you stuck on a siphon feed gun? I have several siphon feed (Binks HVLP and Devillbiss JGA are my primary guns, but I have a Craftsman and another Devillbiss) and I'm going to a gravity gun for my next paint project.

I've painted many a semi truck and tractor with a Binks HVLP siphon feed, but after getting into situations where the cup interferes with spraying around frame rails and getting around the cab bottoms on the trucks etc, not to mention the small amount of paint "waste" left in the bottom of the cup each time (can't get it all out before the gun starts to spit) there's only one choice. Gravity.

My point is, don't limit yourself. Whatever you choose, do go with HVLP. There are true "HVLP" systems and then what can be considered conversion guns. You should be able to pick up either gravity or siphon feed HVLP gun for $100. I know Lowes hardware stores sell Devillbiss made guns for just under that. HVLP guns truly do save paint and cut down overspray.

A cheap gun, if it has the right tip will perform just as good as an expensive gun regardless of your skill. We could go into alot of discussion on paint tips etc, but something with a 1.5mm tip should do all.

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