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johndeereman

12-17-2006 18:11:46




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what size hole do i drill so i can tap it out for a 7/16 bolt originally wanted to have a 3/8 bolt but already got the hole to big for that not sure on how to figure out how big the hole needs to be i know you dont drill a 3/8 hole for a 3/8 bolt which is what i did even though i knew better but i was getting frusterated im drilling a exhaust man. that is cast which has got to be the hardest metal there is to drill and tap thanks for any input.

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John Garner

12-18-2006 12:52:30




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 A Rule of Thumb in reply to johndeereman, 12-17-2006 18:11:46  
johndeereman --

There's a rule of thumb for calculating the diameter of the hole to be drilled for tapping:

Major Diameter - Pitch = Drill Size

The Major Diameter is the nominal "outside diameter" of the male thread, and the Pitch is the "lengthwise distance" between two successive thread crests.

This rule of thumb works for the three most common thread forms found in the US, the pre-WWII US Standard (aka American National), the post-WWII Unified, and the ISO Metric.

Let's work an example or two:

1. For a US Standard or Unified 7/16-14, the Major Diameter is 7/16 inch, which is 0.4375 inch, and the Pitch is 1/14 inch, which is 0.0714 inch.

Major Diameter - Pitch = Drill Size
0.4375 inch - 0.0714 inch = 0.3661 inch


2. For a M8 x 1.25 ISO Metric thread it's even simpler. The Major Diameter is 8 millimeters and the Pitch is 1.25 millimeters.

Major Diameter - Pitch = Drill Size
8 millimeter - 1.25 millimeter = 6.75 millimeter.

Only a couple things complicate this:

1. There probably won't be a standard drill size that exactly matches the calculated size. In almost all cases, though, using the nearest standard-size drill will be fine.

2. We 'Murkins don't always describe drill sizes by their diameters, so you might need to find a drill size chart to know what to call the nearest standard-size drill. In the case of the 7/16-14's 0.3661 inch calculated drill size, the nearest US standard drill size is "Letter U" at 0.368 inch diameter.

John

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-17-2006 21:04:49




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 Re: drill and tap in reply to johndeereman, 12-17-2006 18:11:46  
johndeereman, cast is actualy about the EASIEST material to dril and tap. Relatively soft, and if an exhasut manifold, basically heat treated and annealed. Don't use oil when tapping cast, it only makes a mess. The graphite is lube enough. Just back up every half turn or so to break the chips up. I agree that the 3/8 should work fine. It won't be full depth threads, but it'll get the job done for the purpose at hand.

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Tim Casbolt

12-17-2006 19:40:51




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 Re: drill and tap in reply to johndeereman, 12-17-2006 18:11:46  
The tap drill for 7/16-14 is letter U (.368"). Your .375" hole is close enough. A better solution would be to drill out to 25/64" and install a 3/8" helicoil.



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Gerald J.

12-17-2006 19:27:23




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 Re: drill and tap in reply to johndeereman, 12-17-2006 18:11:46  
Depends on the pitch of the thread and the material. If you do a google search it will turn up dozens of tap drill tables, if its not on the tap itself. Not all taps have the tap drill size. When I read a table of tap drill size, I always go a size or two larger (number drills or 1/64" step) to keep the tap from binding up.

I'd go a hair larger than the largest drill that will fit through a nut because the tap extrudes threads besides cutting them and the resulting hole ends up smaller than the tap drill and if you get the hole small, the tap WILL bind and may break. In any case for every fraction of a turn forward you need to back the tap out a quarter turn to break off the chips or it will bind anyway.

A lubricant is good too, I keep pipe threading oil around for steel, kerosene is good for aluminmum and there are magic elixors for many metals.

Gerald J.

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Gene Davis(Ga)

12-17-2006 18:31:41




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 Re: drill and tap in reply to johndeereman, 12-17-2006 18:11:46  
Most taps have the correct drill size marked on them. If you have no other reference information available you can always take a nut of the desired size and select the largest drill size that will pass through it and that will be very close for doing the job.



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johndeereman

12-18-2006 15:39:51




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 Re: drill and tap in reply to Gene Davis(Ga), 12-17-2006 18:31:41  
thanks for all the info i got the holes taped john you lost me in youre post ive never done very much tapping i usually am really good at getting rusty bolts to turn out i did use the 3/8 hole but i had to buy a different tap the one i had was a bottom end tap i had to go to a tapered tap to get started then use the bottom end tap



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