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shawn

04-07-2001 13:44:17




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I want to know how hard it is and how long does it take to sharpen a 16" chain saw chain and can a lot of heat make a chain dull faster? because my stihl 025 gets so hot you can't touch the blade. can you ajust how much oil comes out? I really need to know because the weather is almost good and I have been cutting and if I keep going and paying to have the chain sharpened I will go broke.




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Mike

03-25-2004 13:06:05




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
Yes heat will take the temper right out of a chain(just like any matel)



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Wade TN

04-08-2001 10:48:36




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
As to all this sharpening and chain info, I saw no reference to "carbide" chains.

They are very difficult to file and a vise is necessary. I bought some sharpening stones and run them in my dremel. I now keep a sharp chain and cut much happier.

Anytime my chain starts heating up, it's because I've dulled it. That's time to change chains, sharpen, or go home.



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Paul

04-07-2001 20:24:22




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
Like Tom said, Clamp your bar in a vise (while attached to the saw) and use a new file of the correct size. Try to keep all the teeth the same size. File down the rakers if needed (depth gauges are cheap at any good saw shop). Both of my Stihls have little marks on each tooth to help you keep the file angle correct. (The marks are actually there to show you the minimum safe tooth size, but are helpful to establish the file angle). Read your owners manual - it has good info on sharpening your chain. I've sharpened my own chains all my life - if I can do it anybody can!

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Brian G. NY

04-08-2001 07:16:09




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 Re: Re: chain saw in reply to Paul, 04-07-2001 20:24:22  
I have good luck using the chainsaw sharpening stones made for a "Dremel" tool. This makes the job much faster after you've hit a stone or nail sunk in the tree and have really taken the points off the teeth. I do it freehand (except for reference marks I put on the top of my vise jaws). I like to spray the chain off with carb cleaner and compressed air when I finish to keep the grit down as much as possible. If I'm not too pressed for time, I use the file; it does do the best job.

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bbott

04-07-2001 18:04:41




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
Everybody's giving you good sound advice.. I can't add much to it.. but here's a link to a place with a lot of good chainsaw & chain sharpening information.

They are a big logging supply dealership out of Washington State. Browse around.. nice descriptions of chain types, filing techinques etc.

Link

I might as well toss in the rest of my 2cts... which pretty much matches what others have said.

Your bar shouldn't get that hot. You're not getting lube to it, running the chain way too tight or something's really wrong with the grind on the chain.

Hold the saw with the bar tip over a board, piece of cardboard etc... rev it up.. you should see some oil coming off the chain. Make sure you have a tip luber and keep your roller tip greased too.

If your saw is producing sawdust, something is wrong with the way your chain is sharpened. You should see 'chips' coming out if cutting cross grain.. if ripping, you should get nice long curly shavings.

A dull/bad chain will heat up... this probably explains why your bar getting so hot.

A properly sharpened chain working on clean, green hardwood should cut a pickup load of firewood before needing a touchup. Dirt, rocks etc will kill the chain much sooner that that.

By the way, what kind of wood are you cutting, and what condition is it in ?

-- bb

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VaTom

04-07-2001 21:14:10




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 Re: Re: chain saw in reply to bbott, 04-07-2001 18:04:41  
Hi, bb, I was actually talking about cross-cutting and getting those shavings. I think I'm filing for a little more aggressive cut than the manual calls for. One of the advantages of doing your own filing is you get to play around with the angles a little and see how it affects the cut. A new chain gives me only big chips until I've filed it a couple of times. I'd forgotten that, until you mentioned it. I don't have a pickup but I figure one good sized tree per tank per sharpening. And I'd never go out with just one chain.

Shawn, if you have a dirty log make sure the chain exits on the dirty side. Going into dirt will dull it real fast.

BB's right about the kind of wood too. I've been asked to cut black locust that was a little too much for a friend. But then I never tried to sharpen his chain for him. He's sure my bigger saw was the answer. If I'm cutting oak that's been dead for a few years and the sapwood's rotted away, I'll get maybe a quarter the wood cut per chain as I would with green wood.

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Nathan(GA)

04-07-2001 16:36:11




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
Shawn, You already have some good advice. Sharpening isn't that hard. Get one of those file holders that has the angle on it. Sharpen before it gets too dull. The chain and bar will get hot, but if you see a blue-black tint, it's too late. If the chain is too tight, it'll get hotter than normal. You should have some slack between the chain and bar on the bottom, maybe 3/16" or so.

I've taken chains that others have thrown away, filed the rakes and cut for a good while with them.

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VaTom

04-07-2001 15:52:26




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
My Stihl's a little bigger but I think you should be able to run your saw over a stump or whatever and see a trail of oil coming off the chain and deposited on the stump. Hot is wrong.

You either have a lack of oil or a chain problem. Chips should be shavings, not sawdust. I can get a 2" long shaving if I have the teeth just right. Your saw probably doesn't have the power for quite that. I've found that I can file sharper than the grinders and get better shavings. Took a bit of practice but you count the strokes of the file with the saw in a vise and you'll get the hang of it. Teeth should be the same size on each side. If not, vary the number of strokes per side to correct your pressure differences.

Your manual should give you the proper angles. As F14, said if the rakers are too tall it won't cut well either. Grinding is, of course, only as good as the person setting up the grinder. It also takes a lot more off the teeth than filing.

I run a 20" bar and it takes me at most 4 minutes to file. I also don't let the chain get really dull. Then it would take a LOT longer, use up more steel, and give a distinctly inferior production. Watch your chips, they'll tell you how the saw is doing and when to change chains. Heat can also be really hard on an expensive bar. You mostly need practice sharpening and don't forget that files get dull too. I buy by the dozen.

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F14

04-07-2001 14:03:27




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 Re: chain saw in reply to shawn, 04-07-2001 13:44:17  
If the chain is getting that hot, I'd pull the side cover and the bar off and check to make sure the oil hole is not clogged. Not sure how to adjust the oil feed. Might try thinning the oil a tad.

Sharpening is not hard once you learn how. The trick is to have the right size file, and hold it at the right angle. There are two angles to consider, the angle of the tooth in the same plane as the bar, and the angle of the tooth perpendicular to the bar. I've tried a couple of different kinds of jigs, and find I can do as good a job and do it faster freehand. Takes me about 5 minutes to touch up a chain. About every 5 to 10 touch-ups, I take it to a pro with a machine. That re-establishes the correct angles (which inevitably get a little off when you hand file) and he may take the rakers down a tad if necessary. In case you didn't know, the raker is the straight piece on each link that clears the chips out of the cut. As you sharpen the teeth, the height of the tooth goes down a little each time, and eventually, the chain is riding on the rakers, not on the teeth. If you take the rakers down too much, the tooth bites off more than the saw can chew and it will bog down. The chain gets real "grabby" which is dangerous and increases the chance of kickbacks.

Having two chains really helps, you can keep sawing while one is being sharpened at the shop.

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Tom

04-07-2001 23:04:15




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 Re: Re: chain saw in reply to F14, 04-07-2001 14:03:27  
If you sharpen more on one side of the chain than the other you will have a saw that will cut around corners. Every once in a while that happens. If it does file the higher or longer teeth down a little to equalize the size of the teeth side to side.



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