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How about dishwashers?

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Rod in Smiths F

12-07-2006 04:32:27




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I read with interest the contributions about clothes washers, so I thought I'd pick your brains about an upcoming purchase for the new kitchen.

We need an under-the-counter dishwasher with a stainless steel door to match the other appliances. On a well and septic, we find the water is hard but not too bad. Connecting to the water softener is an option.

What would you buy?




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DitchWI

12-07-2006 19:37:12




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
How do you turn a dishwasher into a snowblower?
Give her a shovel.



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rottenrobert

12-08-2006 18:21:42




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to DitchWI, 12-07-2006 19:37:12  
Mine has the optional woodsplitter - post hole digger attatchments as well. But it seems when these are hooked up I lose any use of the original function.



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JayWalt

12-07-2006 14:57:51




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Considering I work at the World's largest dishwasher manufacturing facility, I figured I should chime in. The production line I work on makes Tall Tub Dishwashers. These include all highline and midline (The lower lines are made in the same factory, different line), Kenmore, Whirlpool, and Kitchenaid (Whirlpool owns Kitchenaid and is contracted from Sears to produce their Kenmore dishwashers).

Unfortunately, I dont have much good to say about them. "Quality First, unless it affects quantity."
There has been alot of issues I do not agree with, but the "Customer Acceptance Lab" buys them. Anything from the lids on the silverware baskets not staying on, the the doors not functioning as intended, they fall instead of staying where you put them. I also see how they are manufactured. There is several inherent design flaws that save the company $$ so it's ok. One of their latest is the new wire harnesses. A few years ago, all connections were via push on type terminals, individual conductors and multple push on block connectors. The wires were also all 18awg at the least. Our new connectors, which are on ALL of our models on my line is cheap. First, any noncurrent carrying (nothig over 2 amps) wires are 22awg wire and "computer" type connectors. Like those white ones you see on circuit boards. I can see either the wires being partially broken during repair in the facilty due to the very thin wires, to the connectors becoming corroded in very short order from the humidity.

There is alot more I can go into. I do not want to defame the company, but I'm being honest here. I'm sure the other companies have done alot worse then us. One fear I have is that the company is relying on reputation from 20 years ago whereas their products were known to last decades. Now they have replaced longevity and reliabilty for "innovation" (or cheapness IMHO).

I'm sure I have a one sided view, afterall I build about 2000 of these damn things a shift and am tuned to noticing the smallest flaws. I also have 8 hours to think about how they could get messed up.

Our dishwashers are assembled in the USA. I am happy to say that almost all of our plasitc parts not made in house are made fairly locally, and not overseas.

One of the biggest gripes I have is that half of our sump motors are LG motors. LG is our #1 competitor, why they hell do we buy half our motors from our competitor!!

Our warranty policy is also changing, be sure to read your warranty carefully before purchasing.

Our test stations for testing every dishwasher that goes out does a shortened but thorough test. Now, however, they changed it and bypass the fill valve. Instead, water is put into the dishwasher via a hose which was used before to "prime" the sump. So there are no guarantees on the fill valve not leaking.

It really gets to me. I would buy one because I can get parts like nothing, just take in the broken part and the supervisor will write a gate pass for me to take the new part home.

Like I said before, I'm sure I have a oe sided view. If you do buy anything, make sure it's made in the USA. That is my company and most US companies worst enemy, is overseas competition.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

12-07-2006 16:30:10




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to JayWalt, 12-07-2006 14:57:51  
Jay:

Thank you for the informed and informative view from the assembly line. A friend of mine is a master mechanic at a G.M. dealership. He expresses many of the same insider's reservations that you do when discussing the new pickups. He drives one, though.

Rod



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Charles (in GA)

12-07-2006 14:25:42




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
KitchenAid. An extremely quite unit, the quietest I've ever seen and has a stainless interior, and the only Residential one that I know of that is National Sanitation Foundation approved. They have a sani wash and a sani rinse that exceeds 180F and is legal for commercial use (not that you want to)

Charles



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Mattlt

12-07-2006 12:05:55




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Many have replaceable front panels. Lets you switch from black to white, etc. Maybe you could find a stainless steel panel to slip in it?

We bought a new Kenmore last year. It's tolerable, not bad, not great. It is a lot quieter than the old Whirlpool we had before, but still could be quieter. Sound was the major factor in getting a new one.



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R Wyler

12-07-2006 11:14:48




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Sounds like the Bosch is a jewel. All I know is a dishwasher is one of the most necessary appliances in a kitchen as they are very sanitary in cleaning the items with eat and cook with. I wouldnt be without one.



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woodbutcher

12-07-2006 14:57:37




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to R Wyler, 12-07-2006 11:14:48  
Yeah, I'd go with the Bosch. My son has one that is the quietest I've ever known of. It does an excellent job.
Butch



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Fester

12-07-2006 10:58:01




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
www.sears.com and compare, the choice is yours.



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oldfarmtractor

12-07-2006 09:35:57




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Reminds me of the question....

Why does a woman wear white at her wedding?


So the dishwasher matches the other appliances.



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Midwest redneck

12-07-2006 08:53:07




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
I am with Old on this one, get a nice looking young dark haired girl with firm Ti....Parts. And enjoy. If this doesnt work then get a Whirlpool.



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old

12-07-2006 08:02:55




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Maybe a cute young red head. LOL I just had to do this



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Matt Smith

12-07-2006 07:42:56




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
I stuck a Jenn Air in a house the other day that looked to be built very well. It's quiet as well. I have no idea what it cost, though.

Bosch has a good reputation. I have several of their tools, and I don't doubt the quality of their other products.



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HuskerMedic

12-07-2006 07:35:16




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Bosch is easily the "Cadillac" of all dishwashers. They are quite pricey, however.

For the money, I've had good luck with Whirlpool.



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cj3b_jeep

12-07-2006 06:47:59




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
I've seen a lot of old KitchenAid brand machines last a very long time. If they still make them that tough, I'd buy one.



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Jay (ND)

12-07-2006 06:42:04




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Something that has racks that are good for a lifetime. We just threw out a perfectly good 12 year old dishwasher, because the racks were shot. $250+ for new racks, or $450 for a new machine.



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IH2444

12-07-2006 06:21:11




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
Bosh, which is made in the USA. The one I had was EXTREMELY quiet and had stainless steel interior. zero problems for 7 years, then I sold the house. I was tempted to take the dishwasher with me though. It worked so much better than the wife and did not complain ;)



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Gary Schafer

12-07-2006 07:13:08




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to IH2444, 12-07-2006 06:21:11  
I will second the Bosh as being the quietest by far. It is even quieter than our refrigerator! All stainless inside too.
It does cost a little more but you will hardly know it is there when running.

Regards
Gary



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IH2444

12-07-2006 08:48:08




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Gary Schafer, 12-07-2006 07:13:08  
Yeah water running in the sink made more noise in the room than my dishwasher did.



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kyhayman

12-07-2006 06:13:26




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 12-07-2006 04:32:27  
We've got a Maytag, had it for about 8 years and its great. Not a minutes trouble and it does everything we've asked. It does have some kind of grinder in it to grind up food waste so it doesnt plug up the sewer or septic and an auxillary water heater to get the water up to sanitizing levels. As to colors, I dont know, mines off white.



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deanop

12-07-2006 12:43:01




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 Re: How about dishwashers? in reply to kyhayman, 12-07-2006 06:13:26  
Here again..Our maytag is about 10 years old..we tried to buy one of the quietest models made..This one has worked fine, but it isn't near as quiet as it used to be..I think you will find that with other brands to...Mom had a kithen aide that worked great for many years. Loud but no problems ever...deanop



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