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TIMAR

12-04-2006 09:56:04




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What kind of venting do you guys use? I just built a new shop, but do not want to smke the walls up. I would rather use a filter-type system which just recirculates the air inside as not to lose any heat in the winter.




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dan hill

12-06-2006 04:41:20




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
Welding smoke always gives me stomach upset so I weld outside.Got the same problem from a friends car years ago, we found a small exhaust leak.Forget the heat loss, get rid of the smoke.An old furnace blower works fine.I suspect there may be carbon monoxide in welding smoke



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msb

12-04-2006 19:44:05




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
If you might still have one somewhere an old chicken brooder makes a great welding table hood.Add a fan and plumb it to the outside.



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traper

12-04-2006 18:03:57




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
If you are looking for a cheep suction fan ,fan out of clothes dryed works great. Thats what wee use on our dyno.



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TIMAR

12-04-2006 17:12:42




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
Thanks for the info guys!!!



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135 Fan

12-04-2006 16:39:26




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
An exhaust fan is the most common method, unless all of your welding is in the same place. Then you could have a fan with a suction hose. The problem would be if you're doing MIG or TIG welding using a shielding gas. A fan or suction hose may cause you to get poor welds with porosity because you blew or sucked away your shielding gas. Maybe a fume hood like in a big kitchen would work? Like Stan said, welding has a lot of bad fumes. Resperators specifically for welding help but are expensive. The Technical school did a report on the hazards of welding several years ago. It was so bad they never released the results! Then the Gov't. wanted another study and promised to release the results. They never did! I'd rather be a little cold than breathing the fumes. I could go back to a $35/hr. job tomorrow welding but decided against it. They specialized in chromium carbide overlay piping for the oil sands. Although most of it is done automatically, the welders still have to apply some manually after large flanges and pipes are welded together. Chromium fumes are bad! They use open arc self shielded flux core 5/64 and 7/64 wire. Nasty stuff! I warped a couple welding helmets using the stuff. The smoke is so thick that you can't see what you are doing. They have suction hoses and stuff, but you still breath it. I suggested they get smoke extraction MIG guns that suck the smoke right from the arc. They had never heard of them. They expanded into a new shop and now have them. The foreman there was great. Gave me a good reference for another job. I told him all the guys in shop owe me for smoke extraction guns. He laughed and said yeah, we should have had them a long time ago. Dave

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RickL

12-04-2006 15:59:31




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
get yourself a really good downdraft weld table unit for the best results. Otherwise use a 60 bo hog feeder lid and mount a 12inch aqeration fan in the mioddle of it plumb into 12inch plastic drain tile works reaslly slick for over the weld table only. Away from there you need a really big exhaust unit in the end of the building to keep it clean. Smoke is your least worries when welding. For my use in welding I have a selfcontained air system that pumps to my welding helmet, best investment I ever made.

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Bud in NC

12-04-2006 15:27:27




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
OK - Cheap 'n dirty!!! And this is for a SMALL shop! I put a second hand heater blower (squrrel cage type) over my welding table. It ain't pretty but with some 6" stove pipe from Lowe's it moves the welding fumes out. It's ugly but it works.
Most A/C guys can come up with a cheap fan from a trashed unit - they're pretty common in Yard Sales, too. Be sure to look and see if it a 110v or a 220v fan before you waste $5, though....

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oldfarmtractor

12-04-2006 14:49:46




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
When welding, I would guess you produce other things besides smoke. Those other things might be gases that a filter cannot remove. Exhausting is probably the best way to keep from ruining your lungs from the gaaes producted.



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dr.sportster

12-04-2006 13:44:52




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
I agree with what Stan pointed out.Dont worry about heat loss worry about your lungs.I remember a salesman bringing a vacuum cleaner like unit into the welding shop when I was in the service but it still exhausted into the work area after filtering the smoke.Best bet is try to get leads that reach outside.As far as fans if your TIG welding a fan on the work is no good for the weld.If I have to weld inside I make the weld and go outside for fresh air break and a firewatch period.I have not noticed smoke on my walls too much.I dont have any vent system in place at all to answer your question.Just a floor fan that I turn on when done the weld to clear shop with door open.Cough.Cough.

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mjbrown

12-04-2006 13:11:17




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
Depends how much welding you are doing. If only occasional open the doors and get cross vent and keep your face down out of the smoke plume. More than occasional use you need a good exhaust system. There are charcoal welding fume maskes that are a good idea in ADDITION to good practices.
I've seen welding shops where the fumes were so thick you could barely see from one end to the other and the men in there smoking besides. I wouldn't even go in. I waited outside to talk to the boss about a job I wanted done.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-04-2006 12:04:30




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to TIMAR, 12-04-2006 09:56:04  
Hi TIMAR,

At the school where I work all individual welding stations are equipped with 6" flexible hoses which connect to a central exhaust system. The suction is powerful enough to keep the immediate area smoke free around the flame or arc. The trick is to remember to move the hose as you change locations on the work piece. This is no problem for the students who are running practice beads for eventual certification tests. They weld in straight lines about 12" long, over, and over, and over, etc. The problem is remembering to move the hose when you're welding up something which is too big to be trying to weld in a booth in the first place.

Shop building heat loss from a high capacity exhaust system might be substantial, even if limited to a single hose. Filtration and recirculation might or might not be feasible but your first concern ought to be about your lungs, not about your walls or your heating bill. At the first welding class I attended I asked about hazardous fumes as a safety issue. The instructor answered, more or less, "What do you think? Almost everything we work with is poison to some extent." You're vaporizing metals of unknown composition which are often covered with dirt and contaminants of unknown composition, while generating shielding gases of largely unknown composition (with stick, or flux core, or metal core, or dual shield.) If you ever take the time to read the MSDS (material safety data sheet) that comes with a package of stick electrodes, you'd definitely not want to have your kids breathing that smoke. My guess is that zinc fume fever is a poisoning condition that most people know about only because it is strong enough to affect you all at once, but I'll bet that you experience a certain amount of poisoning every time you weld without adequate ventilation. The effects might not be immediate and profound, but they're there.

All the best, Stan

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Wire welding..John,PA

12-04-2006 16:09:03




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-04-2006 12:04:30  
Hey Stan..... ever notice on the MSDS report that comes with a roll of welding wire about certain chemistry that can indeed be harmful?

I have yet to find out how lithimum makes for a strong weld joint or good flux. But, injested thru the lungs can make for a bad day with the kidneys.

I almost bought one of those welding machines, but like always, couldn't justify the possible expense. Better to pay a pro for those once or twice a year necesities.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-04-2006 16:54:04




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to Wire welding..John,PA, 12-04-2006 16:09:03  
Hi John,

But if you're bi-polar maybe a little inhaled lithium might be just the thing for you. But probably not.

All the best, Stan



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mri's, john,pa

12-04-2006 19:38:00




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 Re: shop ventilation for welding smoke. in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-04-2006 16:54:04  
After some MRI's, I think that I have been Polar Dearranged enough, Thank you.

However, I do know a gentleman, who, when he was in his early twenties, was diagnosed with TB and spent 4 yrs. in a sanitorium with a life expectancy of only 6 months. Finally another doctor asked this gentleman how he was making his living. Well this man was a machinist. Well, said the doc. "THAT explains it. You have metal particles in your lungs and You do not have TB." The gentleman is almost 90 yrs. old, now.

About 10 yrs. ago this gentleman was in a serious auto accident and was taken to a trauma center, unconscious. I was there with him. I informed the MRI people that the gentleman was a life-long practicing machinist and I was informed that this person should not have a MRI. exam. The hospital personnel agreed and they were glad there was someone to inform them of this situation. Moral to the Story: Most machinists have minute metal particles contained in their eyes. An MRI could cause instant "BLINDNESS".

Take care.. John,PA

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