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Cutting axle shafts with torch

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Quebec Bob

12-04-2006 05:32:00




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I am making a rock fork for the bucket of the tractor using axle shafts. Can anyone tell me the best way to cut the shafts? I saw a guy cutting one on Saturday morning with a good torch set but all he could do was melt his way through. This is a guy who cuts all the time at a scrapyard. Made me think that there must be a technique to it. Anyone had any experience with this?




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Oldmax

12-05-2006 06:13:14




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
The best way to cut is with a chop saw .



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135 Fan

12-04-2006 17:08:53




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
Some interesting comments. Like was said, if it won't cut and just melts it's probably cast iron or similar to stainless but not likely. Probably just higher carbon steel. Turning up your oxygen to 90 psi may help but wastes a huge amount of oxygen. The proper technique for cutting thick round shafts is to get a tip designed for about the thickness of the shaft. It's not real critical. The same as any cutting. The trick to make it look like a hacksaw cut is to preheat the entire shaft red hot around the circumference. You don't want to melt it just get it red hot all the way around. Then to start your cut slowly turn the torch with the cutting lever down into the shaft until the torch is cutting straight up and down. Then slowly move the torch through the middle of the shaft keeping the torch at 90 deg.. You can speed up slightly after the thickest part. With a lot of preheat and a little practice it will look almost like it was cut with a hacksaw. Thick plate is cut the same way but isn't preheated till it's red hot. Scrap yards usually use huge tips. Acetylene is hotter than propane and allows you to cut faster. I prefer acetylene because the cuts have a narrower kerf and the tips are one piece. The two piece propane tips can be difficult to keep clean like when they are new. I've used propane, Mapp gas, natural gas(on a shape cutter) and acetylene. I'd pay more for acetylene unless I was cutting lots of scrap. Hope this helps. Dave

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MikeCatthemuseum

12-04-2006 15:24:11




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
Good comments so far, but it may be more technique than the material maing things tricky in this case.

Cutting plate, angle or other shapes is st a matter of running the torch at a constant speed, as the material is a constant thickness. Now look at a round. You have to move faster at the beginning, then slow as you approach the middle and then speed up again as you get out near the edge again. Keep that in mind, mainy the slowing down in the middle and things will go well.

Torch should blast through a typical axle with no problem.

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jdemaris

12-04-2006 14:47:00




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
I wonder what sort of axles they were? I've cut many pick-up truck axles from full-floating rears - from GM or Ford 3/4 or 1 ton trucks - and they cut with no problem. They make good bale-spears when sharpened. But - take a load-and-depth shaft from a John Deere tractor - I assume it has a high stainless content. I've had a miserable time cutting them. They do just kind of bubble and blister, but not cut.

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dr.sportster

12-04-2006 14:00:15




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
First job I was given after welding school was to cut blocks out of 4"plate.First the torch popped all morning and only made it about half way into the plate.When everyone laughing, went to lunch I went into a drawer and found the biggest tip you ever saw.Then I asked a Seabee what was the limit to the oxygen max.He said whatever it takes.I turned the oxygen up to 90psi and with the big tip it cut right through the 4" plate.Guys stopped laughing at me.So turn it up for thicker steel if you want it to blast the streamer all the way through.Or better yet hold the chopsaw up to it and start pushing.It will go.

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Mike M

12-04-2006 09:37:08




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
I can cut stuff all day with a torch too,but it looks like heck ! But a real good operator can make it look like it was cut with a hacksaw. I got a buddy that can really run a torch.



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jeffcat

12-04-2006 09:28:28




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
Remember this litle thing. Scrap yards go for the cheeeep and will use a propane gas cylinder cause it is much less costly. Also less heat. If the tip on the tourch is messed up that will do it too. Keeping things clean in a scrap yard are like a big "OOO yea".



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-04-2006 11:14:48




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to jeffcat, 12-04-2006 09:28:28  
Hi jeffcat,

What you say about using propane is true, but the way you say it makes it possible for someone to form the wrong idea about it. It's true that propane provides less heat than acetylene but the only effect this should have on cutting is to make heating the metal to the kindling temperature take longer. Once the actual cutting begins, the type of fuel gas being used is no longer a factor. T_Bone has written about, and I have seen, the fuel gas turned off while the cut was being made. The stream of pure oxygen burns the steel, which is the fuel once combustion begins so no fuel gas is needed. Of course, it takes quite a bit of skill to maintain a cut so most people couldn't finish with only the oxygen. If the cut is lost there is little time to start it again with only oxygen---once the steel cools below the kindling temperature, a stream of pure oxygen will serve as a cooling gas, like blowing on your coffee to cool it.

All the best, Stan

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135 Fan

12-04-2006 17:20:23




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-04-2006 11:14:48  
Cutting is actually rapid oxidation. You're literally rusting the steel away. A hotter flame does allow for faster cutting. On thinner metal you could cut a little ways with no preheat but not indefinitely. Sometimes on thick steel or when bevel cutting an extra preheat torch is used. Dave



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-05-2006 00:37:49




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to 135 Fan, 12-04-2006 17:20:23  
Hi Dave,

I'm not sure what you're saying here. If you're saying that a little bit of cutting on thin metal can be accomplished without any preheat whatsoever, I'll take your word for it. If you're saying that once cutting is under way it can only be maintained if the preheat fuel gas continues to be applied, I don't think that's correct. The heat of combustion is enough to continuously raise the metal immediately ahead of the cut to the kindling temperature or higher. For practical purposes it may be unlikely that a person cutting thick, cold metal by hand could keep the cut going, but it's technically possible. A track cutter, for instance, once it was cutting, could continue cutting even with the fuel gas turned off, regardless of the thickness or temperature of the metal.

All the best, Stan

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Don L C

12-04-2006 09:08:28




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
I would use my 14" cut-off saw.....



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-04-2006 06:36:50




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
Hi QB,

Melting your way through something is what happens with some materials which can't be cut in the usual sense. Cast iron falls into this category, and stainless steel too, I think. Someone who cuts all the time at a scrapyard would have plenty of experience cutting solid cylindrical objects. What Joe says about using too small a cutting tip is probably the case if the axle shafts are just regular steel. Too small a cutting tip will fail to cut all the way through which causes the molten slag to blow back up out of the cut. It looks a lot like trying to cut cast iron but it's not the same. The metal is being cut, just not cleanly or completely. In that case, a bigger tip at the right pressure would do it.

All the best, Stan

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Joe(TX)

12-04-2006 06:14:59




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 Re: Cutting axle shafts with torch in reply to Quebec Bob, 12-04-2006 05:32:00  
It sounds like he did not have a big enough tip on the torch for what he was cutting. A lot of the guys at the scrap yard don't realy know how to properly use a torch. They don't care what it looks like when finished and get paid by the hour.



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