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Stumpalump

12-03-2006 13:53:12




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I just picked up a ford 8.8 disk break rear end for my Jeep. I need 4.88 gears installed. Any body ever tried to set up ring and pinion gears themselfs. What tools do I need? Local shop want's $250.00 labor. Is this a do it yourself project? They need to be right because the low gears I run spin extra fast on the hiway.




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Hobo,NC

12-04-2006 10:04:40




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
By Joe iffin you miss the set up and run it then iffin it sounds like its grind�in corn its no problem keep fiddling with it till its werks. Rotts of ruck.



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Joe(TX)

12-05-2006 05:43:43




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Hobo,NC, 12-04-2006 10:04:40  
Hobo
If you know what you are doing when setting up a differential, you know if it set up right before the tires ever hit the ground. You check the pattern and the backlash before closing it up. If you do not know how to do this, you should not be installing gears.



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Hobo,NC

12-04-2006 04:46:20




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
You have one chance to git it rite, if set up wrong you will have�ta live with it or start over with a new gear set, that�s not a bad price.



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Joe(TX)

12-04-2006 06:20:43




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Hobo,NC, 12-04-2006 04:46:20  
Hobo
Your statement is incorrect.
You have as many chances as you want to to get it right. If you have the proper tools, you can remove the bearings to reshim as often as you want. You just have to know what you're doing.



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Gerald J.

12-03-2006 18:55:39




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
I changed bearings in a Ford rear axle about 1960. That axle had nuts to adjust the bearings. It was easy.

The 8.8" Ford axle needs an adjustable shim pack to set the gear position then something like .010 added to each side to preload the bearings. That takes a case stretcher or some fixed shims to replace the stack that was used to set the gear mesh. After I studied the Ford shop manual, the $200 that the local hot rod shop charged back in 2000 I figured was a decent price. They didn't let me watch though. I changed from 3.08 to 4.10 for my F-150 and that was a good change for performance and trailer towing and suprisingly did not change the gas mileage.

So for the work involved and the special tools involved, $250 may not be a bad price. You have to set the axial position of the pinion shaft as well as the ring gear and paint the gear teeth to set the mesh so the gears wear right and aren't too noisy. Its not rocket science, but its not as convenient to do as it once was.

Gerald J.

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Tim Casbolt

12-03-2006 19:14:18




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Gerald J., 12-03-2006 18:55:39  
I've done three of those. Two Mustangs and a F-150, and you absolutely do not need a case stretcher to do the work. I've never had a case stretcher, never needed a case stretcher. Don't even know what one looks like, and I've been changing ring & pinion sets for myself and friends on all the popular brands for more than 20 years. Never had one fail. Applications range from street use to towing to drag racing. The people that sing that song are trying to sell a service that the average handyman can do for himself, but isn't aware of it.

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MarkB_MI

12-03-2006 18:33:24




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
250 bucks labor is not unreasonable. I have rebuilt a GM differential but not a Ford; I think they are comparable. You will need a dial indicator and a torque wrench, at the minimum. As I recall, there is also a fixture used to determine the pinion gear depth, but most folks just reuse the orginal shims which will supposedly get you close enough.

I installed a new posi unit when I did my rear end, so I didn't have to get the ring gear off the old unit. You have to heat the ring gear to get it on the differential housing; I used my gas barbecue for this purpose.

You will need a good manual or other set of instructions. The ring and pinion set may come with instructions.

You'll probably need both foot-pound and inch-pound torque wrenches. The inch-pound wrench is used to measure the pinion preload. I don't know about Ford, but GM ring gear bolts have left hand threads; not all torque wrenches will work counter-clockwise.

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Tim Casbolt

12-03-2006 15:16:12




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
Yes it's a do-it-yourself project. Done lots of 'em. The 8.8's are just like all the 10 and 12 bolt Chevies. You do need a dial indicator, but it's hardly an expensive tool. Harbor Freight and others offer magnetic bases and such for not much money. You can find all sorts of instructional information from gear manufacturers and enthusiast chat rooms. Usually takes me about 3 hours start to finish if I'm starting out with an empty housing. 2 hours or less if I'm just replacing gears. I am willing to offer my services for a fee to anyone willing to drive to MD.

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Don L C

12-03-2006 14:45:49




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
No you shouldent try to do it your self....you could learn how,but you need to have it done...
I think $250 is to much....maybe the guy at the Ford garage does work on the side....ask one of the guys at the parts desk if they know any body who does it....try local speed shop or large parts store that does machine work.....



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Rustyfarmall

12-03-2006 14:31:21




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 Re: Ring and pinion install in reply to Stumpalump, 12-03-2006 13:53:12  
To do it right you will need some dial indicators and such that could easily cost more than $250. I'd the pros at the shop do it.



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