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Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay

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Pooh Bear

12-02-2006 08:19:08




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I need a drill with a 1/2 inch chuck.
I looked at prices at Lowes and HD and there is
no way we can afford that.
99% of my drilling is in wood and light duty.
So I am looking at this model from Harbor Freight.

Harbor Freight 1/2 inch drill


Next, I would love to have an air framing nailer.
Just for me around the house. Not for a full
time job. Whatcha think of this one.

Harbor Freight Air Framing Nailer

The drill would get a lot of light duty use.
The air nailer would seldom get used.
But when I need one I really need (want) one.

So whatcha think about these.
Thinking of getting my wife to get them
for me for Christmas this year.

Pooh Bear

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Steve Gerot

12-05-2006 11:02:29




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
As far as the nailer for about $180 you can buy a Bostitch. They are as good or better then the over $300 units. They sell them at most discount stores. The cheap ones will likely work okay for a couple hundred nails and then start jamming on a regular basis. Many tool shops carry used but I have found they are usually over priced at nearly new price. As for the drill power would be the thing to check. I think if it has enough power to suit your needs a cheap one should be fine for light use.
You might also look into Craftsman.

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Robert in TN

12-04-2006 01:23:21




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
Did you look at Northern Tool? They have a store in Chattanooga and a new store in Murfreesboro. They have lots of things at different prices, some high quality and some at affordable prices. I have a couple of nailers from Harbor Freight that work great. I don't use them everyday, just for projects. Never any problems and I am completely satisfied with them...



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IH2444

12-05-2006 08:12:02




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Robert in TN, 12-04-2006 01:23:21  
Northern has many of the sme tools as HF, just without the HF name stamped on them. Northern is generally higher than HF though.

I have not bought the drill. I did however buy a $20 rotozip tool and it has been great, I worked it hard and even put a cutoff wheel in it and am using it to cut bolts and such with.



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IH2444

12-05-2006 08:15:26




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to IH2444, 12-05-2006 08:12:02  
I have the gun you are looking at. It works fine unless you get the ribbed galv 3.5 inch nails. It has trouble sinking them all the way down. All other nails are fine, shorter and ribbed or longer and smooth.



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Pooh Bear

12-04-2006 03:58:27




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Robert in TN, 12-04-2006 01:23:21  
Northern Tools has a store in Chattanooga???
Wow. Where is it.

Pooh Bear



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Robert in TN

12-05-2006 01:06:08




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-04-2006 03:58:27  
Pooh Bear, here is a link to the Northern Tools store locations in Tennessee. The store in Chattanooga is on Lee Highway. Hope this helps...

http://www.northerntool.com/retailstores/storelocations/tennessee.htm



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Pooh Bear

12-05-2006 08:31:23




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Robert in TN, 12-05-2006 01:06:08  
Oh COOL. I didn't know that.
I hardly ever get that far out Lee Highway.
Usually turn rite there at Shallowford
to go to Hamilton Place Mall or that area.

I'm gonna have to go check this place out.

Thanks for telling me about it.

Pooh Bear



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paul

12-03-2006 16:27:17




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I would pass on the drill. No power.

If you only use it a few times sort of thing, I have 'heard' the air nailers work ok for the price from there. No first hand experience.

--->Paul



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msb

12-03-2006 12:49:05




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
Check your local tool rental places.Sometimes they have tools that they are planning to replace and will sell them right. I bought a Senco framing nailer and an Emglo air compressor that way and the price was right.You will get quality tools for your money that way.Rental places don't buy junk to rent out.



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IBorange in TX

12-02-2006 19:42:18




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I have bought tools from HF for many years. Some are good and some not so good. For the framing nailer, I would suggest the following?
Go to a good hardware store that sells good brand nailers. Check for paslode nailers. I know down here, paslode has a rebuild program and will pick up your nailer and service it. Long story, but they also have trade ins at a reduced price. Good Luck.....



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mj

12-02-2006 17:15:34




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
In my post below is a palm nailer similar to mine but I did find THE one that I have. Click the link.



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Pooh Bear

12-02-2006 18:14:12




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to mj, 12-02-2006 17:15:34  
I used to want a palm nailer. And there are some
situations where it would come in handy.
But I really want a regular air nailer.

What I really want is one of them gas cartridge
cordless nailers but there's no way I can afford that.

Pooh Bear



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djw

12-02-2006 16:59:04




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
We call em peg board tools, look great hanging on the wall, just don't try to use them!



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jhill52

12-02-2006 14:38:40




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I also participate in another forum that deals with tools. On there the people who have the best luck with the HF stuf dissassemble them them before using and remove metal chips and make sure everthing is properly lubed. They say that is the key to getting decent life from the stuff. My self I buy better quality even if I have to buy used. Jerry



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Jon Hagen

12-02-2006 16:10:11




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to jhill52, 12-02-2006 14:38:40  
Thanks jhill52, I do that with all HF power tools that have a gear drive. I have never found chips in anything,but the quality and quantity of grease is not up to my expectations. I open the gear box on new tools before using it for the first time,remove the old grease and fill it with John Deere, polyurea 00 weight corn head grease. This is great stuff with the highest oil content of any grease,and thin enough to flow back into the gears to relube them. I have not had a gear failure on drill or grinder gear boxes. I also have started to check all screws/bolts for proper tightning. My new HD chop saw from HF started to act up after using it hard,found one of the brush holder caps not tightned and making a poor conection to that brush. cleaned the brush,tightned the cap and all was well.
I also run all new HF power tools with no load for the first couple of minutes to seat the brushes and run in gears/bushings/bearings.

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mph

12-02-2006 13:34:32




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
My own exp. with HF tools, has been on the whole good to very good 4 the last 15 years. And not just hand tools,like the 2hp 10 inch bench grinder or 3, 4.5 angel grinders, 9 inch ang.grinder or the 16 ton pipe bender and the band saw[metal].Others to many to list,the only thing I will not buy from HF is welders,when you all ready own the best you don't need the rest. Miller big 40 and Miller roughneck 1e, a little old but so am I and some things are better with age and exp.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-02-2006 13:23:39




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
Hi PB,

I got one of those D handle 1/2" VSR drills like Jon Hagen wrote about from HF a few years ago. I might be a different one than he got or maybe he only used it full speed so the flukey speed control was not a problem for him. The one I got has a dial type roller in the handle that you can't adjust while you're drilling as you can when the trigger pull varies the speed. It seems to work so that the power varies with the speed---at the lowest speed it has virtually no torque at all. Don't get that kind.

My advice is to buy HF tools only if you have a retail store close to you. Take the tool home and use it a lot immediately. If it doesn't satisfy you right then, return it and get your money back.

As soon as I finish this posting I have to call HF to find out why 15lb of cast iron welding electrodes didn't make it in a mail order delivery that came this morning. So I'd have to call it a less than perfect transaction.

All the best, Stan

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Pooh Bear

12-02-2006 17:16:39




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-02-2006 13:23:39  
I do have a semi-local HF store.
It's over in Chattanooga. 25 miles away.
But we go right by there at least every 2 weeks
when we go pick up my son for the weekend.

The hardest use the drill would see is driving screws.
And I try to predrill for them so it's not so hard.
Most of my drilling is in wood.
For metal I try to use the drill press as much as possible.
I had to drill four 1/2" holes several months back in
something I couldn't mount in the drill press
so I step drilled 1/4, 3/8, then 1/2" holes.
I've learned to go easy on tools that run on electricity.

For the air nailer I will bring it home and
thoroughly test it by driving nails in oak pallets.
Will test the drill by drilling holes in pallets.
I collect pallets and make stuff out of them.

I don't need an air nailer. I just want one.
My 3/8 drill has the trigger stuck on.
I can drill holes but I have to plug it in and
unplug it. I can't drive screws that way.
And I want the capacity of up to 1/2" drill bits.

I wish I could afford the brand name tools but
that just isn't in the budget. We just can't
afford $150 for a drill and $300 for a nailer.
I don't need tools I can leave to my kids.
I need tools at cheap prices.

Thanks for all the advice.
Gonna think about it some more before buying.

Pooh Bear

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Slowpoke

12-06-2006 23:19:38




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 17:16:39  
Your framing nailer is going to cost a lot more than the price of the tool. I bought a factory rebuilt Bostitch PL21 framing nailer with metal plate adapter on eBay for $159 + S&H. Looks like new. But the Senco 8d ringshank nails were $23 + tax for 2500. The box weighed 18 lbs. Now if I need 10s or 12s or 16ds the price per box goes up and/or the quantity goes down and I must buy a full box. The size I want may not be available. I may only use a few dozen. BTW, Senco nails are made in China.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-02-2006 18:48:00




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 17:16:39  
Hi PB,

One way to make screws go into wood with less force is to scrape the threads across a candle before you screw them in. I usually keep a candle in my toolbox for when I have to screw in an extra long or extra big screw which is right at the limit of my drill/driver's capacity. It's also the first thing I try on a sticky closing door or hard opening and shutting double hung window. Right after "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," is "Don't fix it more than you have to (unless you've got all the time in the world.)"

All the best, Stan

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Don L C

12-02-2006 12:15:43




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I have a lot of carefully selected Harber Frieght tools.....If I was you and money is the big factor, I would buy the HF tool..... keep in mind and dont over heat them.....if the drill gets extra marm, run it with no load for 30 sec.....it will cool its self down.....keep the nailer clean and oiled..... ..my thoughts Don



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dr.sportster

12-02-2006 11:24:40




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
When the Chinese tools first started to appear in the seventies I bought a bench grinder.I figured how bad could it be.I had a Sun bench grinder made in Japan from a Snap-on guy that was giving good service.So I bought the China one took it home, first piece of metal touched it the motor let out the smoke.Went back the store was gone.Threw it in the garbage.Buy a Milwaukee drill and give it to your grandchildren in your will.Make sure its made in Brookfield not eastern europe.Not everything is imported and higher quality is still Made in USA.Or buy several cheap drills throughout your life.Thats a personal decision.Cost will be about the same either way so its not a matter of money.

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mj

12-02-2006 10:34:35




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
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Here's one of my 'Best Buys' ever! I've driven a couple hundred 6" hardened pole barn spikes (60d) with it and boxes of 16d ring shanks and it still works great! I power it with a HF pancake compressor which is still going strong and I've got about $150 in the whole shooting match. If I were you I'd go for the HF items you mentioned. Yeah, I don't like the idea that America is importing everything from overseas but when you go down to the local Harley shop to buy a clamp-on rearview mirror for 20-30 bucks that's made in Japan and it looks just like the ones at Wal-Mart for 4.95 and come from China what are you going to do? Buy American? Okay..... ...point me to it.

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Slowpoke

12-06-2006 23:55:30




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to mj, 12-02-2006 10:34:35  
I happened to be in a chain hardware store that sells Sears appliances and Craftsman tools. In one of the impulse purchase tool bins was a palm nailer with the 2' anti theft cable still attached. A price sticker covered the little brand tag and was marked $10. Lifting the sticker exposed the words "Craftsman" and "Made in China". The leather glove was missing, but I bought it anyway.
The nose piece that holds the nail is drilled off center. Is that normal or is it a factory second used for a display?

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trw

12-02-2006 10:13:57




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I, like some of the earlier posts, have had mixed results with Harbor Freight tools. If it is a tool that will be used a lot and hard, I would stay away from HF. If it is only used occasionally then you will probably be okay. Dad bought a 1/2 inch electric impact from them last year and I think we put in about 20 lag screws into railroad ties before it burned up. They sent him a new one without any questions, but we had to get another one while we were waiting for the replacement. The "other one" is a Dewalt that we can use hard. The replacement from HF is still in the box.

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Steve Crum

12-02-2006 09:51:03




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I've bought most of my Milwaukee power tools off fleabay. Many that looked like they had been thru a tour of Iraq. But take an hour to pull them apart, clean and lube them and put in new brushes, And they run as good as a new tool.
I'm not real concerned that they don't look good.
I've seen a lot more new China built stuff go up in smoke than beat up American stuff.



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KEB

12-02-2006 09:22:35




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
Local HF had a sidewalk sale over Thanksgiving, picked up a 28 degree framing nailer for $49.95. Was advertised as using clipped head nails, but I took a shim out of the magazine & it shoots round head nails just fine. Haven't used it very much yet, but for a lot less than I can get a beat up one at a pawn shop I couldn't pass it up. I don't think I'd want to try to make a living with one, but for what I'll use it for its great.

No experience with HF drills, I tend to use tools like that a lot & have stuck with brand name ones.

Keith

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hmm go figure

12-02-2006 09:08:28




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
and we all wonder why this cheap china junk keeps comming to the usa and our jobs to china.
Myself I look for usa and it is getting harder to find.
Hopefully my kids and grandkids can import to china to get work.



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Gerald J.

12-02-2006 10:03:49




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to hmm go figure, 12-02-2006 09:08:28  
So find me an American made tool in the stores now. Even Milwaukee has moved their production to China. The only American made tools are the ones made in the past. There is NOTHING new.

Gerald J.



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Jon Hagen

12-02-2006 09:49:28




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to hmm go figure, 12-02-2006 09:08:28  
If you and your children make their living building American made tools,then it is in your best interest to buy only American, maybe even if it is twice the price for the same quality. I and mine make our living farming,growing crops where 50-100% of the production has to be sold in the export market. I think it is a really good deal when the guy in China or India eats a hardy meal made from American farm produce,so he can build the tools I need to keep my farm running at a price I can justify. It has to work both ways,we have to buy their products if they are to buy ours.

I looked at Lincoln 12V electric grease guns for a couple of years,but could never justify the $200 price. When HF offered their 12V unit on sale for $50,I thought it worth trying. I have been more than satisfied with its good performance all last season. At an ag show this winter where farmers had a chance to test the 12V Lincoln and 12V HF/Chicago electric side by side,they perfered the HF model.
When I compared specs,the HF and Lincoln had near identical performance specs(pressure and tubes of grease per charge),the only difference was $50 VS $200 When I compared replacement batterys,both were 1300 MAH 12V Ni-CAD units,both made in China Difference was HF,$20, Lincoln $70. It sure would make me feel all warm and fuzzy kinowing I paid 3-1/2 times as much for the same product with an American name like Lincoln on it. :)

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Jon Hagen

12-02-2006 09:07:07




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I bought the HF D handle,1/2 inch VS and reversable drill a couple of years ago when I rebuilt a pair of 15 ft JD 750 no till drills We had to drill out the 48 opener arms to 1-1/8 inch holes to install bushings. The total job took nearly a week and included drilling those 1-1/8 inch holes through a total of over 12 ft of tough forged/cast? steel with a hard spot and a little casting sand every three inches. We worked that drill beyond reasonable use,only shut down when things were getting really over heated. We finished that job without problems and have used it for normal ocasional shop use nearly every week since that time. No problems at all,what more could I ask of a $30 drill??. I never buy the cheapest tools from HF,usually the mid range stuff that sells for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the big name tools and have been totally satisfied with 99% of it. If you carefully watch the price leader sale items,you often can buy an already deeply discounted,but great quality item for near 1/2 the regular price. They slip them in throughout the catalog to get you to look at every page. The items I priced were bought on those discount sales. I have HF Drills($30),paddle switch grinders($18),12V power grease guns,($50)14 inch HD chop saw($100),drill bits,tap/die sets,air tools, socket sets,combination wrench sets, all have given me more than my money's worth and filled my shop with tools at a price where I can justify owning them for ocasional shop use. These tools do the repair work on a 2000 acre farming operation.

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ebbsspeed

12-02-2006 08:31:22




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Pooh Bear, 12-02-2006 08:19:08  
I've bought tools from them (and Cummins) before, and have had mixed results. For light duty you're probably going to be OK. When it comes to tools, the phrase "you get what you pay for" is especially true.



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Rustyfarmall

12-02-2006 08:58:53




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to ebbsspeed, 12-02-2006 08:31:22  
In general, but not always, that rule does apply. Sometimes the price you pay is low enough that the tool doesn't have to last very long. Other times the price is high enough that the tool should last a lifetime, but doesn't. If the job at hand can wait another day because the tool won't perform, go for the cheap one, and if needed, go buy another one.



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mj

12-02-2006 10:11:57




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 Re: Harbor Freight Tools - yay or nay in reply to Rustyfarmall, 12-02-2006 08:58:53  
Roger that.



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