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SHeiserman

11-25-2006 10:25:54




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Got a problem and need some help. Changed the water pump (O'Reilly's), t'stat (195), and serpentine belt. Now the temp gauge is constantly moving. It'll get well over 210 then slowly come back down and continually repeats this. Had it high enough a warning light to check gauges came on. Pulled over and top radiator hose is hot, but I can hold it. Lower hose is fairly cool. Remove radiator cap, and can put my finger in the radiator. It's hot, but nothing like it should be for the temps the gauge is reading. There's no hissing, gurgling or even so much as a hot smell to it.

Seems to me I've got an electrical problem. It's reading hot, but it simply isn't hot. Anybody familiar with this type of problem? It's new to me. Changed the pump two days ago, and there were/are no leaks.

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SHeiserman

11-26-2006 18:41:09




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
Thanks everybody for the tips. Went and got another pump today. After I explained to the parts guy what was going on, he politely told me I was wasting my time with a different pump. He is 100% confident( just like dad is) it's got air in it, and that alone is causing all the fluctuation. He gladly exchanged the pump and away I went. It's a new one, not a reman.

After I put the new-new one on, it does the exact same thing. I guess I'll tip my hat to the "it's still got air in it" crowd. Never had this kind of trouble with the 74 Chevy or 87-90 Buicks. I leave for Ames at 0400 tomorrow morning, and it better just be air in the system, or I'll be asking if a new or salvaged engine would be best! Thanks guys.

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banjo

11-25-2006 21:51:22




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
the impeller could be spinning on the shaft also. Dad had a new one do that once.



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Allan In NE

11-26-2006 16:06:16




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to banjo, 11-25-2006 21:51:22  
More than once, ol' Pard. More than once. :>)

Allan



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OK-AL

11-25-2006 15:43:41




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
Gotta agree with Allan, it sounds like you got a water pump made for an engine with vee belts. The serpentine belt water pumps run backwards. This could cause the symptoms you're describing.

Try changing the thermostat first. If that doesn't fix it, then it looks like you've got another water pump to install.

Just thought of one more thing. It's also possible that one of the water pump gaskets got installed upside down. I've done dumber things than that.

Good luck,

OK-AL

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Allan In NE

11-26-2006 16:05:09




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to OK-AL, 11-25-2006 15:43:41  
Yep,

The thermostat is the first place to start.

That's exactly the reason I don't like those cheap parts houses.

Maybe he's just got one of those "fluttering" thermostats that can't hold a gradual temp adjustment.

Darned outfits will drive ya crazy sometimes. :>)

Allan



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Allan In NE

11-25-2006 15:29:31




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
Gotta watch those rebuilt pumps.

Had a cheapo one time that had the wrong impeller on it. Should have been sold as a v-belt pump, because it totally turned backwards with the serpentine.

Allan



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SHeiserman

11-25-2006 16:17:24




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to Allan In NE, 11-25-2006 15:29:31  
Now you've really sewn the seeds of doubt. These guys had me talked back into the air idea, and I was going to be happy with that. I did re-check how I put the belt on and it was right, not sure if it's even possible to do it wrong.

Never given this much thought, but does the pump pull water out of the bottom of the radiator? Then if I unhooked the top rad hose, would it spray water out of that hose when I bumped the engine over?

Thanks Allen, something to think about. I'll be more than happy to put a different pump on if I know this one is bad.

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Bob

11-25-2006 22:39:42




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 16:17:24  
The waterpump is a centrifugal pump, and won't pump with much flow or pressure at cranking speeds.

Does the fan clutch screw on (one big thread), or does it have a 4-bolt flange?

I was thinking it would be new enough to be the screw-on fan clutch, and if that fits, it SHOULD ensure you have the correct water pump.

If the fan clutch bolts on with the 4-bolt flange, it's POSSIBLE you were sold the wrong rotation water pump, made for a "V" belt setup, which, while it will still pump, would do so with less pressure and flow than the correct water pump.

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SHeiserman

11-26-2006 05:45:35




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to Bob, 11-25-2006 22:39:42  
The fan clutch is the type that screws on with the big hex head. Makes it an easier job than the old style in my opinion.

I did take the top hose off the radiator and started it up. It then dawned on me I won't get much of anything till the thermostat opens up. Just for the he!! of it, I did run a new wire from the thermostat post over to the ground screw on the inside of the fender---nothing changed. Of course I have no idea what those wires ground in the first place.

Think I'll try another pump and if that doesn't clear things up, I will have saved myself nothing. It was in the dealership getting a broken distributor gear (?) fixed. They noticed the pump leaking and estimated $420 something labor included. I said I could do the pump..... Oh well, Thanks for the help to this point.

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Bob

11-26-2006 06:55:05




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-26-2006 05:45:35  
OK, so you HAVE the correct pump, since the original fan clutch and the pump thread together with a RH thread, it proves they are made for your reverse-rotation serpentine belt setup.

Of course, there's always the possibility there's something real weird wrong with the new pump.



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Maark

11-25-2006 11:23:29




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
I'm with BOB, it sounds like you've got an air bubble in the system. Does the heater work like it should? That would indicate an air bubble as well. I don't know about your 96 pu. But a 3.1 in my Lumina has a bleed screw to loosen to remove the trapped air.



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SHeiserman

11-25-2006 13:18:43




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to Maark, 11-25-2006 11:23:29  
Heater works good. I originally figured air too, but never had that problem last this long. Of course, any other time I had thermostat trouble, it wouldn't warm up, and the heater wouldn't keep up. Anyways, no bleeder screw on this one.



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ken in texas

11-25-2006 10:42:05




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
Is there any chance you installed the thermostat upside down or in other words reversed. Could cause a problem like you'r having.Good luck.



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SHeiserman

11-25-2006 11:04:02




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to ken in texas, 11-25-2006 10:42:05  
Hey Ken, did that once years ago and haven't done it since. Water pumps are fool proof, not even I could put one of those on wrong.



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Bob

11-25-2006 10:33:54




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:25:54  
1.) Have you driven it enough to work all the air out of the cooling system?

2.) Did you disturb any ground wires attached to the engine in the thermostat area?

3.) (And most likely), the new thermostat is the root of the problem. For a couple of bucks more than the generic unit, you could get and OEM thermostat. For the newer vehicles I work on (Ford and Chevy), I have better luck with the genuine OEM thermostats.

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SHeiserman

11-25-2006 10:58:16




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to Bob, 11-25-2006 10:33:54  
Hey Bob, thanks for the reply.

Changed pump on Thursday, and have about 30 miles on it since then. Don't recall disturbing any wires doing the pump. Then I had the temp gauge problem , and that is why I decided to change t'stat.

Changed the t'stat today (napa), and there are two wires connected to the front stud. Half a$$ed cleaned the stud before I put it back on. But it still acts like it did before I changed the stat.

I'll go back and look for a ground or any other wire I may have disturbed. I just don't understand how changing a water pump would cause all this. If there was a problem with the pump, it actually would be hot. T'stat didn't affect anything. I did replace the cap (15 lb) and that didn't do anything for me either.

The fan clutch works ok too, however, I haven't stuck my finger in that yet.....

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B-maniac

11-25-2006 19:21:53




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 Re: 96 Chevy p.u. in reply to SHeiserman, 11-25-2006 10:58:16  
You had the problem imediatly after replacing the pump,right? you hadn't touched the stat yet at that point. Changed stat and still did it. That means the pump is what changed something. Take it off and have them compare it with your old one if they still have it,or another new one or two.



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