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Brian Miller

12-07-1998 11:58:14




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I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

The price difference between the two sets is about $450. Thanks for any help.

Brian Miller




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N-Idaho

01-14-1999 22:46:36




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
I've worked with Craftsman. Maybe they are not the best. But it is was the best tool that I could afford. Better than k-mart maybe not as good as Snap-On.

But the bottom line is,"You are just starting out!" You need to get the most bang for your buck. The Craftsman will work for now and you can have another $450 for other things that you need. You can always upgrade when you are established and are makin the big $$$$.

Another idea that has worked for me....Pawn Shops. All of the Snap-On tools that I have were bought at pawn shops. Also keep an eye out for classified ads. Try www.thriftynickle.com

But be careful about buying used. A few years ago I always got great deals at Pawn shops. But times are a changin. YOU MUST KNOW THE NEW PRICE OF AN ITEM BEFORE YOU BUY IT USED AT A PAWN SHOP. The shops sometimes even have a greater than full retail on some items. Go figure??

Whatever you do NEVER EVER use a Sears credit card. If you do, you will pay on the #@!&*%^#@ thing until you are old and grey. This is no joke or exageration.

Also, Tool Trucks, Snap-On, Matco, etc., these too seem to take forever to pay off. I bought MATCO on credit. Once. Never again. $60.00 a week for a couple of years.

Buy good USED tools. Pay cash.

Appologize for the sermon. I'll shut up now.

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Mike

12-21-1998 15:07:54




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
If you're gonna make a career out of this spend the extra $450 now. Over the years you will spend more than this in gasoline returning the craftsman tools to sears that you broke on the job and now need to replace. In theory the lifetime guarantee is great but in reality cheap tools that break and need to be replaced are a pain in the ass.



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SNAP ON BUYER

12-12-1998 21:11:58




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
Does your school participate in the Snap-on Educational Discount Program? Last I knew, Snap-on was selling to Vo-tech students at 1/2 list price, which is a super deal for a tool that is one of , if not the best out there... and... Snap on Tools are almost as good as cash. You can count on getting at least 1/2 list price for them if you had to sell them. Craftsman can often be found at yard sales for $1.00 a tool or less. (actually new some of the sets are that cheap) And like someone mentioned below, their quality level is dropping, along with their selection. A tool board I helped set up for a school in the 70's has many tool spaces now occupied by other brands because Sears no longer supplies sockets in that size... If that set includes any Air tools, DEFINITELY
go for the Snap-on... Craftsman air tools are garbage. CP, IR, MATCO, MAC, all have good professional Air tools. Just stay away from the IR ones at Walmart.

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Big Mike

12-13-1998 09:19:41




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 Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to SNAP ON BUYER, 12-12-1998 21:11:58  

The Local Napa seems to be stocking more IR now than CP...



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jake from il

12-13-1998 18:43:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Big Mike, 12-13-1998 09:19:41  
My CRAFTSMAN impact puts our hs autoshop's evercraft(napa) to shame.



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Snapon Buyer(AKA NO MONEY)

12-13-1998 20:10:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to jake from il, 12-13-1998 18:43:42  
Maybe so, but try this. Next time you get a chance, try the top of the line SNAPON air gun....
Or the IR Top of the Line... do a torque test...
You will be surprised. I dont know how they do it, but they can really pack a lot of punch in these babies...and they ought to for the price they get. When you depend on the tool for your living, and you cant do a job cuz your cp732 copy wont get that Flywheel or balancer bolt off, the price for the manliest gun you can get looks a lot more reasonable.Been there Done that, got the t- shirt! (wanna buy a couple of CP look- alikes, cheap?) YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

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Wild Bill

12-14-1998 20:22:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Snapon Buyer(AKA NO MONEY), 12-13-1998 20:10:07  
At one place I worked we welded two sockets together and when you bought a new impact you had to hook-em up and try to pull the other guy backwards. I've had a couple Snappy impacts and they kicked a$$ but wore out a little too soon I thought. My latest one is an IR, so far I'm happy. That Snappy 3/8 air ratchet is the best, an extention of my right hand at work. Your right about CPs, Man, they are gutless.

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jake from il

12-14-1998 11:22:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Snapon Buyer(AKA NO MONEY), 12-13-1998 20:10:07  
yea there top of the line guns would blow mine away, but they should for there top of the line price.... I paid less than 100 for mine new, and since i don't turn wrenches for a living, i dont really need anything bigger, and if i do i just borrow my freinds MATCO



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Martin A, Johnson

12-11-1998 19:57:03




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
I can't believe nobody has suggested SK! The new SK is equivilant to Snap On, infact, cover up the names, and youll be hard pressed to tell the difference between the wrenches. and at 33 - 50% less $ you can't beat it. There are more and more SK tool trucks as time goes by, and you can buy them at many local hardware stores. Excellent warrenty, and made in Chicago, USA.
A good friend of mine is a SK dealer (former Snap On) if that tells you anything. I grew up with SK, and have purchased my sets nearly all SK and am completly satisfied. I've broked Snap On, Proto, to many blackhawk to mention, and craftsman sockets on plow shares with out any cheaters, but have yet to break an SK. Hope this helps.

: I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : Thanks for any help.

: Brian Miller

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SK TRUCKS???? WHERE?

12-12-1998 21:00:45




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 Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Martin A, Johnson, 12-11-1998 19:57:03  
never seen a SK truck in upstate NY...
Also Never returned a SK without an argument. I bought a set back in 77 that still does the trick today, but it got so I had to replace the broken sockets with Snappy's stuff...Nobody here that sells SK ever takes Broken sockets back,..Obviously if you Broke it , you had to ABUSE it.... so they say.....Not to say things haven't changed....



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Martin A. Johnson

12-13-1998 17:36:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to SK TRUCKS???? WHERE?, 12-12-1998 21:00:45  
Sorry to hear of your warrenty troubles. Yes, there are some dealers, they don't deserve to be called that, that don't want to hassle with replacing broken sockets, etc. THATS JUST IT, the #$?+*&$ hrdw. sales man doesn't make his living from the SK tool, or the sale of it, he sells it because ACE, Our Own, or Coast to Coast tells him too! Use an SK dealer! Call 1-800-U-CALL-SK for the nearest dealer to you. I've lived in the Mid west & Northern Plains, and around here there are SK trucks, When I was in Montana it was the only truck within 100 Miles, also 100 miles to Sears. True SK does not warrenty reducers, why sould they, think about the torque applied, use the right wrench, or handle for the job. Nor do they stand behind chrome sockets used with impact tool, nobody else does either.

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Wild Bill

12-13-1998 20:25:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Martin A. Johnson, 12-13-1998 17:36:24  
The Snap-On guys don't like to warrenty step down reducers but they often will if your a good customer. I've turned in worn out chrome sockets and had them tell me, "it's not broke, just wore out, you beat it up with an impact!" Sure did, thats why I pay your price to get the best. If it's broke will you back it up? "Yes if it's broke I can turn it in." The next week it was cracked in half, (I made sure of that) he gave me a new one. The tool truck guys aren't minimum wage store clercs, they want to sell you a $5,000 tool box or a $300. air ratchet, they'll do you right. That's my experience anyway.

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Martin A. Johnson

12-13-1998 23:23:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Wild Bill, 12-13-1998 20:25:10  
Basically thats my same responce from my SK man. Case in point two years ago I bought on of the Lislie plastic drop center creapers from him for about $50, already a bargain. The warenty is the norm, quality & workmanship da, da, da, but no misuse or accident, specifically driving over, or parking on. That Very night my fiance' at the time, now by bride & I were working on my Chevy duallie, and the creaper was forgotten. If you haven't figured it out, I backed over it. Broke 1 caster off. The next week when the truck stopped I told him what I did, and no mare questions, even that which wasn't supposed to be warrenteed was. PRESTO. He's done the same for me on tools. It comes down to the tool man more than the company in most cases. Quess it pretty much boils down to personal preferance & the reliability of your tool mine, mine happens to be SK, & I'm very pleased!

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Wild Bill

12-14-1998 19:30:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Martin A. Johnson, 12-13-1998 23:23:13  
Your right, It's all in the man, a good tool man will eat a socket now and then to keep a good acount.



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Martin A. Johnson

12-13-1998 23:22:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Wild Bill, 12-13-1998 20:25:10  
Basically thats my same responce from my SK man. Case in point two years ago I bought on of the Lislie plastic drop center creapers from him for about $50, already a bargain. The warenty is the norm, quality & workmanship da, da, da, but no misuse or accident, specifically driving over, or parking on. That Very night my fiance' at the time, now by bride & I were working on my Chevy duallie, and the creaper was forgotten. If you haven't figured it out, I backed over it. Broke 1 caster off. The next week when the truck stopped I told him what I did, and no mare questions, even that which wasn't supposed to be warrenteed was. PRESTO. He's done the same for me on tools. It comes down to the tool man more than the company in most cases. Quess it pretty much boils down to personal preferance & the reliability of your tool mine, mine happens to be SK, & I'm very pleased!

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Mark Thompson

12-12-1998 22:38:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to SK TRUCKS???? WHERE?, 12-12-1998 21:00:45  
About a year ago I bought a new turning center and needed a 13mm open end wrench(couldn't use a box end) to change the tooling.The first wrench I used was a (new)Craftsman,which sprung with very little effort.Even when it worked it felt spongy and damaged the special domehead bolts.So I picked up two new SK wrenchs(fully polished-very pretty)at local hardware for $10 a wrench and they were NO better.A trip to Grainger for a Proto was the solution.It was cheaper than the SK and far superior.BTW-the last SK I broke was a 1/2 to 3/8 adapter.It was exchanged with one stamped "Not Guarranteed".I guess they only guarranty the stuff that don't break.Mark

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Chris M.

12-11-1998 18:24:22




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
Sorry for the delayed post! Snap-On is the most handy. Most likely the Sanp-On guy is just coming through the parking lot when you break something. Craftsman is the easiest to exchange. I've returned a socket that I welded to a stripped out allen head tap plug. Not a question asked. I just walked in and he handed me a new socket. Currently I use Proto.



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Chris M.

12-11-1998 18:11:12




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
Sorry for the delayed post! Snap-On is the most handy. Most likely the Sanp-On guy is just coming through the parking lot when you break something. Craftsman is the easiest to exchange. I've returned a socket that I welded to a stripped out allen head tap plug. Not a question asked. I just walked in and he handed me a new socket. Currently I use Proto.



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Bob

12-08-1998 16:52:17




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  

: I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : Thanks for any help.

: Brian Miller

Brian,all I can add is my father-in-law was a farm equipment service mechanic.If I didn't buy Snap On he threatened me with bodily damage.His words were "If you make a living with your tools,get tools worth your life!"This was nineteen years ago,and so far I can still outrun him.

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Mark Thompson

12-07-1998 17:29:26




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
: I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : Thanks for any help.

: Brian Miller

Snap-On is the best of the two,but Craftsman is the better value.I'd take a look at a few other brands,like Proto,Matco,Mac,etc.before laying out a huge amount of money.Also be certain that you will always be able to get replacements.For instance,you know you will always be able to flag down a Snap-on truck or find a nearby Grainger for Proto.Some brands have a much more complete line than others too.I'd steer clear of any that you aren't 100% sure of.I've read about Lowes deal with Snap-on for Lowes store brand(Kobalt)tools,but what happens is the marketing guys at either company decide it wasn't a good idea?I know this may sound silly but if you're just starting a career as a mechanic you have a lot of tool buying ahead of you and continuity is important.These are the tools of your trade and a nice set of tools are something to be proud of,and it also makes you look more professional(compared to a box with assorted types and flavors-the best being stamped K-Mart).Good Luck! Mark

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Norm

12-07-1998 15:45:28




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  

: I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : Thanks for any help.

: Brian Miller

Slap Off are better than craftsman Proto is also very good and truecraft are not the worst but they are imported

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jake from il

12-07-1998 14:02:57




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
i have craftsmam, only cause i dont work anywhere the snapon guy goes, so im limited to craftsman. ive never had a problem trying to return broken tools, i even retirned a 3/4 breaker bar that i snapped with 15 feet of cheater pipe and 3 big guys.



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Paul Fox

12-07-1998 13:31:39




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 Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Brian Miller, 12-07-1998 11:58:14  
: I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : Thanks for any help.

: Brian Miller

Hoo-boy, this should stir up some dust! Of the two mentioned, I would lean toward the Snap-ons. In my admittedly limited experience, a Snap-on wrench is lighter, stronger, built to closer tolerances and easier to get into tight spaces than the equivalent Craftsman. Today's Craftsman wrenches aren't what they were 20 or 30 years ago in my opinion. They cast them much larger than they used to, and the castings are not as nicely finished. There are other brands out there that are a good happy medium. Some I've heard good things about are MATCO, Blackhawk and Proto. I expect you'll get a lot of replies to this, I'm looking forward to seeing other opinions.

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Doug

02-18-1999 09:16:21




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 Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Paul Fox, 12-07-1998 13:31:39  
I have turned wrenches for over 20 years and by far snap-on is the only tool on the market . Any special tools , fluke for meters , the rest all offer about the same for special needs . Look at a mechanics hands then look what kind of tools he uses i can almost bet that if his hands are in good shape he uses snap-on (nicks and cuts)or he doesn't do anything. This is a good field to be getting into now good mechanics are hard to find and the jobs pay very well . The working conditions aren't always the best but the pay most times makes up for it.:


: : Brian Miller

: Hoo-boy, this should stir up some dust! Of the two mentioned, I would lean toward the Snap-ons. In my admittedly limited experience, a Snap-on wrench is lighter, stronger, built to closer tolerances and easier to get into tight spaces than the equivalent Craftsman. Today's Craftsman wrenches aren't what they were 20 or 30 years ago in my opinion. They cast them much larger than they used to, and the castings are not as nicely finished. There are other brands out there that are a good happy medium. Some I've heard good things about are MATCO, Blackhawk and Proto. I expect you'll get a lot of replies to this, I'm looking forward to seeing other opinions.

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Wild Bill

12-07-1998 19:44:50




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 Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Paul Fox, 12-07-1998 13:31:39  
: : I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: : The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : : Thanks for any help.

: : Brian Miller

: Hoo-boy, this should stir up some dust! Of the two mentioned, I would lean toward the Snap-ons. In my admittedly limited experience, a Snap-on wrench is lighter, stronger, built to closer tolerances and easier to get into tight spaces than the equivalent Craftsman. Today's Craftsman wrenches aren't what they were 20 or 30 years ago in my opinion. They cast them much larger than they used to, and the castings are not as nicely finished. There are other brands out there that are a good happy medium. Some I've heard good things about are MATCO, Blackhawk and Proto. I expect you'll get a lot of replies to this, I'm looking forward to seeing other opinions.

I graduated from an auto-tech school about 20 years ago. I started out with all Craftsman, they were good, got me started and were what I could afford. over the years I've traded 90% of them for Snap-On, including the tool box. When these tools are in your hand 8 hrs. a day you will get a feel for what you like and what works. If Craftsman fits your budget right now go for it, the Snappys will come as you need them, they are the best but Man they are not cheap! Mac and Matco are very good too, but not quite Snap-on. Get the best you can and start wrenching, you'll see what I mean. One more thing, if you need Line wrenches...A.K.A. Flare nut wrenches, just buy the snap-on, nothing else works as good. Sorry to be so long winded, my one typing finger has a blister and I need a beer. Good luck.

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Big Mike

12-11-1998 23:12:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Wild Bill, 12-07-1998 19:44:50  

: : : I am starting a heavy equipment school and I need to know what kind of tools would be the best value for me. The school recomends either Snap-On or Craftsman. I know that both are good tool sets, but which would be the better buy.

: : : The price difference between the two sets is about $450. : : : Thanks for any help.

: : : Brian Miller

: : Hoo-boy, this should stir up some dust! Of the two mentioned, I would lean toward the Snap-ons. In my admittedly limited experience, a Snap-on wrench is lighter, stronger, built to closer tolerances and easier to get into tight spaces than the equivalent Craftsman. Today's Craftsman wrenches aren't what they were 20 or 30 years ago in my opinion. They cast them much larger than they used to, and the castings are not as nicely finished. There are other brands out there that are a good happy medium. Some I've heard good things about are MATCO, Blackhawk and Proto. I expect you'll get a lot of replies to this, I'm looking forward to seeing other opinions.

: I graduated from an auto-tech school about 20 years ago. I started out with all Craftsman, they were good, got me started and were what I could afford. over the years I've traded 90% of them for Snap-On, including the tool box. When these tools are in your hand 8 hrs. a day you will get a feel for what you like and what works. If Craftsman fits your budget right now go for it, the Snappys will come as you need them, they are the best but Man they are not cheap! Mac and Matco are very good too, but not quite Snap-on. Get the best you can and start wrenching, you'll see what I mean. One more thing, if you need Line wrenches...A.K.A. Flare nut wrenches, just buy the snap-on, nothing else works as good. Sorry to be so long winded, my one typing finger has a blister and I need a beer. Good luck.

Back about 15 years ago when I worked in the station, I'd buy a few pieces now and then off the Snap-On truck. During this time my buddy down the street at the Sohigro Shop would buy the BLACK Snap-On tools, as they were not as expensive. How these things felt in yer hands
after 8 + hours a day I can't say, as I never bought the non-chromed Snap-Ons myself.

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Wild Bill

12-12-1998 19:23:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Big Mike, 12-11-1998 23:12:00  
I never liked them either Mike, to hard to see and easy to lose under the hood for one thing, I get red,green or some bright color screw driver handles for that reason.



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Big Mike

12-13-1998 09:22:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Wild Bill, 12-12-1998 19:23:28  

They're even puttin' those bright colors on
air-tools now.



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Wild Bill

12-13-1998 20:43:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Big Mike, 12-13-1998 09:22:52  
When your in a dim shop with a drop light those bright handles come in handy. A few months ago I saw a Hot Pink tool box on a tool truck, thats going too far for me! I'll keep my red one thank you. Sometimes I wonder about this country Big Mike.



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Big Mika

12-16-1998 07:41:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Wild Bill, 12-13-1998 20:43:09  

A "Hot -Pink" toolbox?!?!? Hope for the sake of
the purchaser, he's ten feet tall 'n bulletproof!!!
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Wild Bill

12-16-1998 19:26:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Which kind of tools? in reply to Big Mika, 12-16-1998 07:41:10  
Me too Mike. It was big and PINK! All I could do was shake my head in wonder.



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