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Hobart MIG welder

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Gene Davis (GA)

11-07-2006 19:39:58




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Hey people; how about the good, the bad and the ugly on a Hobart Handler 180 series wire feed welder. Want something to use for light stuff that is tedious for my 225 ac/dc stick machine. The specs say it will weld up to 5/16 material. Any body using one? What type of wire needed for general mild steel, mostly clean and inside with good fitup. What gas/ Mixed or straight Co2? Gene Davis




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Jerry L /AZ

11-08-2006 03:34:14




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-07-2006 19:39:58  
I have the handler 180 use it in the shop love it I dont use sheilding gas, I have it just not hooked up. I'm glad I bought it. I also have a lincoln weld/gen set that I use for the heavey stuff Jer



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MarkB_MI

11-08-2006 02:55:47




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-07-2006 19:39:58  
Hobart, once a top brand, is now owned by Miller. Miller sticks the Hobart brand on their low-end products, but I don't know the pros and cons of this particular welder. I have a Lincoln SP-175T MIG welder that I've had for many years and really like.

You will probably want to go with the Argon/CO2 mix. It will give you nicer results than straight CO2.

The "standard" wire is .030" ER70S-6. This is a 70,000 psi tensile strength wire with just a touch of silicon.

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135 Fan

11-08-2006 09:31:15




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-08-2006 02:55:47  
Some Hobart machines are identical to the Millers. Take a look at both. Hobart were the first company to come out with the small compact MIG welders before they got bought. They have always had good MIG welders. If they weren't any good, the name would have been dropped. The technical school up here used to have Hobart MIG machines. Now they have Miller Inverters that they don't like as much. 180 amps will handle .035 easily and the bigger the wire, the less feeding problems. Dave

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-08-2006 01:50:30




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-07-2006 19:39:58  
Hi Gene,

Not much left for me to add. I have a Hobart Stickmate 235 AC/160 DC stick welder that I bought new for about $400 several years ago. The problem is, besides it being the wrong kind of welder to shed any light on their wire feed equipment, I just haven't been able to decide whether I think it is any better than average. I haven't discovered anything outstanding about it, or anything in particular wrong with it, either.

What I can tell you about is welding gases. The 25% CO2--75% Argon mixture that Dave spoke of is much more pleasant to weld with than straight CO2. CO2 is a better conductor than Argon so it welds hotter for the same current setting. It also creates much more weld spatter, and the arc just seems more violent. It's about like the difference between 6010 and 7018 in stick welding. I have heaps of respect for the capability of 6010 like Lincoln 5P+, but I've never enjoyed welding with it.

Straight CO2 is quite a bit cheaper than 75/25, and in a pinch you might be able to borrow a tank from a fast food place or a bar---but probably not. It would be best if you could find a way to try welding with each of the gases. If you rent your tanks you could try a tank of one and then a tank of the other---they use the same regulator.

All the best, Stan

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JOHN HARMON

11-07-2006 22:03:59




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-07-2006 19:39:58  
I use my Lincoln Fluxcore 100 Wire Feed for 1/4 "Metal and less useing .030 Fluxcore Wire. For 5/16" and heavier Metal I revert to my tried and true "Forney" 225 Stick Welder with 6011 or 6013 Rod.Before I retired I worked in a Nuclear Power Plant and the Company furnished the Crafts with Miller Welders but out on the Pipeline Jobs etc. most of the Engine Powered Welders were Hobarts.



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135 Fan

11-08-2006 00:07:55




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to JOHN HARMON, 11-07-2006 22:03:59  
Lincoln and Hobart are true DC generators and preferred on pipelines although Miller has some new machines that are good. Miller portables are excellent welders but use an alternator design with a rectifier to convert to DC. Apparently generators have hotter arc starts. The Alaska Pipeline was welded with Hobart CC, CV welders using CRC automatic MIG equipment. Dave



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135 Fan

11-07-2006 20:34:53




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-07-2006 19:39:58  
Hobart are good machines. They used to be the 3 in the big three welding machine makers. They are owned by the same company that owns Miller and your machine could be a Miller. Hobart were good machines in their own right though. If it's a 220 machine, use some .035 solid wire unless your welding thinner than 16 gauge. Then you could use .023 wire but it may have feeding problems. .035 wire is more versatile, you can use it at a wide range of settings. Most people use C 25 mixed gas for a little smoother weld and less spatter. The wire you should buy is ER70S-6. S-3 wire will also work but S-6 has more deoxidizers in it for welding over slightly dirty or rusty steel. When you have it set up right, it will sound like bacon frying. Make sure to weave the arc side to side slowly as you travel forward. This will help to wash in the edges so you don't get cold lap. It may not be needed on thin material if your heat is hot enough. Once you get the settings close, fine tune the heat with the wire feed speed as it controls amperage. The manual will have recommended settings in it. I'd buy a Hobart if the price was comparable or cheaper. Hope this helps. Dave

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Gene Davis (GA)

11-08-2006 16:51:42




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to 135 Fan, 11-07-2006 20:34:53  
I bought the machine. The price was right and they threw in a free cart for the machine and the tank. Decided to go with the 75% argon-25% Co2 mix gas and will probably go with the S-6 grade wire. Thanks for all the advice! Gene



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chvet73

11-09-2006 08:57:23




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-08-2006 16:51:42  
I have the early 175 model. It's a great machine. Enjoy it.



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135 Fan

11-09-2006 00:35:51




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to Gene Davis (GA), 11-08-2006 16:51:42  
Let us know how it works. If you need any more help with it just ask. I think you will be happy with it. Dave



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Gene Davis (GA)

11-08-2006 16:51:00




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to 135 Fan, 11-07-2006 20:34:53  
I bought the machine. The price was right and they threw in a free cart for the machine and the tank. Decided to go with the 75% argon-25% Co2 mix gas and will probably go with the S-6 grade wire. Thanks for all the advice! Gene



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Gene Davis (GA)

11-08-2006 16:46:25




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 Re: Hobart MIG welder in reply to 135 Fan, 11-07-2006 20:34:53  
I bought the machine. The price was right and they threw in a free cart for the machine and the tank. Decided to go with the 75% argon-25% Co2 mix gas and will probably go with the S-6 grade wire. Thanks for all the advice! Gene



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