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JMartin

10-26-2006 17:16:16




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I have a new natural gas indoor fireplace that I need to convert over to propane. It has been impossible to get any help with this, and the only information I have been given is from a salesman trying to sale me a whole new fireplace. Does anyone know how to convert a fireplace from natural gas to propane. I am capable of doing any of the work myself but need to know what parts absolutely have to be changed out. Thanks for any and all advice.

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Yugrotcart

10-27-2006 14:06:43




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
Best and safest way is to contact your propane supplier and have them send out a service man. He will change the orifices and adjust everthing for you. Money well spent so you don't go kaaaaa abooooom..... ..... .

Paul



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Red Dave

10-27-2006 11:30:14




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
Contact the manufacturer of the fireplace. Tell them what you want to do and ask if they reccomend it. If they do, the manufacturer will be able to supply the proper parts for the conversion.

If the manufacturer either doesn't reccomend it, or can't supply the parts, don't do it.



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buickanddeere

10-26-2006 21:40:53




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
KA-BOOOOO OOOOMMMMM MM



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jeffcat

10-26-2006 19:59:52




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
GOOD GOLLY! If you don't know don't start. Contact the company and most have a kit to change over. Propane to natural is easy. The other way around is the trouble. Main gas orifice and pilot are for sure. Also the air shutter needs to be wide open cause propane is more BTUs and thus more air. Combustion is also different. Natural should be a good solid pure blue flame. Propane should have a kind of purple flame with the mearest hint of a paper yellow tip. The toy regulators used on these type of equipment shold be replaced peroid! If the kit says you can change a part...well. Comercial regulators have a little cover plate with a rubber diaphram under it to set the pressure. Natural has an adjustment- propane will not. Natural gas is 5-6 inches water column. Propane can go from 10-14 and more. Five in/wc is not even 1/3 of a pound air pressure. Also from your tank to the house is another regulator that knocks it down from 25 pounds of pressure. I work on comercial kitchen equipment and some of the stuff I work on has TWO inch gas mains to it. Not going too crazy but propane is real nasty stuff when cold. Natural is almost the same weight as air and mixes away very well. That is why a small leak will fill the whole house with gas stink in nothing flat. Propane is much heavyer and crawls along the ground. The smell will not get into the air as well. PHOOOM! Also bubble test your work. A little dish soap put on with a little paint brush around every joint. Even the old timers can remove their eyebrows!!!!
Let us know. Jeffcat

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rgvtx

10-26-2006 19:18:38




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
HVACguy hit it right on the head. The orfice will need to be changed, the hole in the propane orfice will be smaller. Also if there is a regulator it has to be either replaced or adjusted. If you know the brand and hopefully model number on this unit, you can probably find them on the internet. Converting from one gas to another is simple, inexpensive and is done on a regular basis but..... ..... ..as HVACguy said....
What ever you do, don't try to use the fireplace on propane if it's set up for nat gas. It will look like an inverted space shuttle at the launch pad.

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HVAC Guy

10-26-2006 18:25:51




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
LIABILITY is the name of the game here. I realize that you think you are capable of converting a gas burning appliance(your gas Fireplace insert in particular)from natural gas to propane(LP). But anybody that gives you advise and or parts to do the same are liable at the hands of the right attorney.I know I deal with it each and every day at work "How do I do this " or "What do I need to do that" . It scares me to death and I ain't scared of nothing. That said you need to change the orfices(both the pilot if it has one and the main burner or burners) and the pressure regulator will need to be adjusted. Best advise is to go to the manufacturer or his rep. to get the proper information and parts if they will deal with you. You will need the model and serial number at the very least and any other number that are on the rating plate/name tag that is with the gas fireplace insert. I would also say that there is IMHO a possibility that the parts are not available to do such a conversion. Stranger this have happened. Remember LIABILITY.

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Tom in TN

10-26-2006 17:31:58




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 Re: Propane Conversion in reply to JMartin, 10-26-2006 17:16:16  
JMartin,

My fireplace insert was already set for propane when I bought it, but I did convert my gas furnace and gas range to propane. As I remember it, both were done by simply replacing the gas jets. The old jets simply screwed out and the new ones screwed in. I bought conversion kits for both of them from the manufacturers so it was really easy.

I think that you would be wise to try to contact the manufacturer (or quality dealer of that brand if one is nearby) and ask about a conversion kit.

Good luck,

Tom in TN

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