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RIJIM

10-23-2006 14:32:03




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This will be my first time going to the scrap
dealer with all types of aluminum, everything from
cans and pans to doors and cast alum. cases. Is
there a different price for each type or do I take
it as one mixed load? I tried calling and asking
the scrapper but got a Chinese guy who just said
"ya ya we take", no help there. I need the $$s for
school so I"d like to get the best price. Thanks.

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Redtom

10-24-2006 18:55:01




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
2.80 for #1 copper is pretty good. Here (MI) it ewas that and has dropped down to 2.35-2.40. As for steel we call it short steel which is 2 foot and under, that pays the best. But it has to be heavy steel, not tin. Heck, tin is 120 a ton, not bad for old lawn mowers and car bodies etc. Un fortunately this is the end of the old plows and corn pickers in fencerows. I see a lot of nice goodies going in.

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RIJIM

10-24-2006 13:20:55




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
Thanks to all for replies. Since I had the trailer
loaded I took the alum. in mixed and got $1.00 per
pound which wasn't bad I guess. Tried speaking to
the workers but I don't speak Chinese or Spanish
so didn't get any info. They were doing big biz,
all heading to China to make more junk to sell to
us.



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1936

10-24-2006 09:36:12




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
AL cans .60 cents/pd.
Number one cooper 2.80/pd. wire clean of covering and pipe free of all joints.
SS counters .80 cents/pd
brass bath room fixtures .80 cents/pd.
Bradley, IL across from gala bowling alley.
Keep the drop cord type wire seperate graded NO. two wire.



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JLSargent

10-23-2006 18:17:05




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
Copper: If your scrap copper is thicker than #10 wire and clean it usually will go as #1 copper. So 4/0 welding leads (made up of tiny wires) is #2 and copper pipe is #1.



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snitkawl

10-23-2006 16:25:37




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
The price varies for different types. Extrusions usually bring the best money, and what they call "breakage" the least. Extrusions are such things as aluminum storm doors and windows, however all other metals must be removed in order to get top money. I just recently sold some which I thought was properly cleaned, and did not get the top price. They informed me that the clips which hold the corners together are zinc. That cost me 12 cents a pound.
Breakage includes things like barbacue grills, lawn mower decks, etc. I don't know if good castings bring more than breakage, but I will be finding out soon as I have several pounds to sell. Sheet brings a different price too.

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Crem

10-23-2006 15:56:16




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
I also would like to find out a little bit more about sorting. Are there differend grades of Aluminum such as cast that should be kept separate? Also what are the different grades of copper? Does the solder in the joints or on the end of copper pipes matter? Then there is cast iron, and certain thicknesses and lengths of steel. What about brake rotors and drums? For a small amount if probably wouldn't pay to sort it out, but I have a fairly large pile and my brother has a bunch of farm stuff. Thanks for any help.

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Stan in Oly, WA

10-23-2006 15:48:14




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
Hi Jim,

If your load is not sorted you will be paid the per pound rate of the least valuable scrap the dealer can see for the whole load.

I've been to aluminum recyclers where the scrap had to be unloaded directly onto scales. That's the system you'd want if you were taking in a sorted load of mixed value scrap. But today I took 8,900 lbs of the community college welding department's steel scrap to a steel recycler in Tacoma where you got weighed going in and again coming out and got paid for the difference. That would be the worst way to have to deal with a mixed load of scrap.

Without knowing anything about the system where you are going to take your aluminum, I can still almost guarantee you that it would be to your advantage to find out more about it before you go there with a load of scrap that you'd rather not take back home again.

All the best, Stan

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Crem

10-23-2006 16:52:32




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-23-2006 15:48:14  
When you took the school scrap in was it all smaller pieces? I heard that steel has to be over 1/8" thick and something like 3' or less long to get the top price. Can anyone comment on that.



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Stan in Oly, WA

10-23-2006 20:44:54




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to Crem, 10-23-2006 16:52:32  
Hi Crem,

I think the load I took sold as #1 unprepared and brought $68 per ton. I was disappointed because I'd gone to quite a lot of effort to keep painted metal and other less valuable scrap out of it and I considered it to be primo steel. The head of the department felt we had gotten a good price, however, and I remember hearing him mention something about quite a bit of it being over three feet long. There was no way to hide that fact, though. The first scrap I loaded this morning was two pallets which each held a complete forklift hoist assembly and forks. Companies in the local community donate some pretty amazing scrap to the college.

On a different note, the activity in a full-scale industrial scrapyard is really interesting. One of the guys who inspect and classify the load told me to pull off to one side while they brought a magnet to unload my scrap. He didn't know that the stakebed truck I was in was also a dump truck. For just a moment I almost didn't tell him because I wanted to see the load get taken out with the big magnet. The other thing that I think is really cool is that they use big boom cranes with those clam shell grappling devices on them to move the dumped scrap into higher piles (40' high, I'd estimate) and then pick up one of those concrete barriers like you see used to make temporary walls along freeways to use as a kind of impromptu dozer blade to move the dumped scrap to the bottom of the pile. I watched another one of those clamshell things load a triple trailer rig with shredded steel, then pick up a giant ball of cyclone fencing or wire (I was to far away to see it clearly) and use it like a whisk broom to sweep spilled scrap off the roadway after the truck left. It's a dirty, nasty, horrendously noisy place, though.

All the best, Stan

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snitkawl

10-23-2006 17:05:18




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to Crem, 10-23-2006 16:52:32  
I don't know for sure about the thickness, but to go as #2 prepared steel it has to be no bigger than 18X36" pieces. There is about $30.00 a ton difference right now in prepared and unprepared, and I can't afford to cut it up for that difference.
As to copper, the only grades I know are 1 and 2. I always figure on the #2 price as I apparently have never had any #1.



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greenbeanman in Kansas

10-23-2006 14:52:08




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
Where I take mine it is required to be separated by type. Some types they still won"t take where I live.

Unfortunately thieves are now stealing copper wire to sell. One public service place has been hit twice and the thieves even took a neutral wire from a live circuit. Guess they figured the ground wire was wired in correctly. When the business opened the ground couldn"t properly carry the load and caused much damage from low voltage or something or other. Several computers fried was the end result. Hope the thieves sleep well at night knowing they robbed from those who serve the homeless.

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Dachshund

10-25-2006 15:04:11




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 10-23-2006 14:52:08  
Just saw a story about this in Lincoln, NE. They are trying to make it so people who sell scrap copper (and other metals) will get finger printed at the scrap yard. They will also be mailed the check instead of getting it on site. If you are a repeat and goodstanding customer, then you can register to be excluded in the waiting period for the money. Probably won't be long and everyone will be doing it.

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Tim in OR

10-24-2006 21:53:54




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 10-23-2006 14:52:08  
Here in the Portland area. Someone spotted a fire at a power substation one night. A thief had attempted to steal copper wire, and got hooked up. He was the fuel for the fire, and will never be a problem for anyone again.
Best of luck. Tim in OR



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Gerald J.

10-23-2006 14:46:42




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 Re: Scrap Metal in reply to RIJIM, 10-23-2006 14:32:03  
Its generally worth more sorted.

Gerald J.



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